IRC log started Sun Jun 11 00:00:01 2000 ACK! A linux distro without PINE?!?!?!?!?! what distro? * Downix/#tunes goes into convultions Storm Linux heh heh sucker Storm is kinda lame. at least it has gcc, a step-above Corel * Downix/#tunes can fix storm's problems [msg(TUNES)] permlog 2000.0611 corel has no gcc? :) corel's has no gcc I was in 100% shock over that... but they had Pine still no compiler at all? no compiler at all, not even EMACS lame this really ought not be in here, btw. * water/#tunes 's jaw hits the floor yeah join #{}, Dx ok -:- Downix [plady@pi.dune.net] has left #tunes [] heh, I guess he is conservative about bandwidth :) i doubt he can do multiple channels yeah later -:- SignOff water: #TUNES (The Tao went that-a-way!) 12:10am -:- SignOff ult: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- hcf [nef@207-172-225-230.s230.tnt1.pld.me.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes abi: gno is a UNIX-like development environment for the Apple IIgs at www.gno.org heh 01:10am -:- SignOff extrasolar: #TUNES (Read error to extrasolar[client556.sedona.net]: EOF from client) * coreyr/#tunes is away: chaire, hupnos, philos emoi. -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- hcf [nef@207-172-225-230.s230.tnt1.pld.me.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- hcf [nef@207-172-225-76.s76.tnt1.pld.me.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes -:- smoke [smoke@16dyn27.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff _Luke: #TUNES (Ping timeout for _Luke[203.46.39.102]) -:- _Luke [luke@203.46.39.102] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- hcf [nef@207-172-225-25.s25.tnt1.pld.me.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- NetSplit: asimov.openprojects.net split from sterling.openprojects.net [07:46am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [asimov.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: asimov.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net -:- I440r [mark4@purplecoder.com] has joined #tunes -:- coreyr [coreyr@net255ip95.parklink.com] has joined #tunes -:- water [water@tnt-9-219.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff water: #TUNES (The Tao went that-a-way!) -:- water [water@tnt-10-29.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes -:- smklsmkl [sami@ppp100.dial-in.verkkotieto.fi] has joined #tunes * smklsmkl/#tunes wonders why nils didn't register #ocaml and #functional if he's gonna have meetings at them -:- SignOff smklsmkl: #TUNES (bbl) -:- lar1 [larman@adsl-63-203-75-219.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #tunes -:- Kyle_L [kyle@cr168790-a.nmkt1.on.wave.home.com] has joined #Tunes -:- lar1 is now known as lar_eating -:- lar_eating is now known as lar1 -:- lmaxson [lmaxson@adsl-63-194-24-207.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] has joined #tunes -:- ult [ult@user-38lcc1g.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #Tunes lmaxson: got you writeup? +t err are Believe it or not it's in the mill. Haven't made it through the "background" yet. Meanwhile I have been perusing as much of the material available on slate and others from the websites. have you looked at lisp macros yet? or ML's type system? But I do believe that I have incorporated all of the design features relative to the user (plus some) that I have encountered thus far in either slate. 10:20am answer my question or talk reasonably water, I have to look at a division of labor, my reading time versus my writing time. It takes me far longer to compose a sentence than to read one. if you don't read, your writing will be in vain If I were to write in vacuum of experience, you would be correct. experience with PL/I is no experience you may as well cite 30 years of C or assembly or C++ My experience extends beyond PL/I. It is simply my preference. tunes HLL is not about preference I have only 44 years of application development. At the time Jean Sammet autographed her book ("The History of Programming Languages" for me in the early 70's we already had some 700 languages and dialects. so what? I in no way could become of master of them all except for many what was contained in here text. -:- mode/#tunes [+o water] by ChanServ mastering languages is not my point Your point? lmaxson: 1 + 1 = 1 there are interesting *concepts* within the macro system of lisp and the type system of ML which are *unique* among languages water: but he wants a lang that defines lisp and ML There are interesting concepts outside of either which are unique in other languages. i refer to properties of languages which are logically different not merely syntactic sugarings :-) and yes i know APL as well as J and K are you here to unsult or to get information? s/un/in/ I am not aware that I am in for anything other than information. It is you who question and judge my motives. gr you display your motives by not providing information all you do is rant without listening to others' opinions and knowledge Then what I cannot provide, I should be prepared to receive. Why question my presence here? but you have already suggested that more information would delay you :) 10:30am i question anyone's presence who does not understand the point of tunes I have said that I find it difficult to read and write at the same time. and who never *asks* I assume the point of tunes is what is present on the website. which is? that's zero information to me, buddy What is present on the website. heh information.... signal explain how you are not providing noise If it were not for questions from you, I would be listening only. -:- SignOff lar1: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- lmaxson was kicked off #tunes by water (Go read the logs at http://www.tunes.org/files/irc/) -:- mode/#tunes [-o water] by water * ult/#Tunes claps ult dood you tehre ? yes cvs [import aborted]: /spare2/devel/CVSROOT/history: Permission denied grrr c'mon guys use #forth or something blow it out ur ass shit stop being so fucking anal hm please leave? ult join #forth ? unfortunately I must agree with water. there is {} for noise ? there are plenty of other channels #{} is a channel, l440r -:- I440r [mark4@purplecoder.com] has left #tunes [exit] 10:40am oh well eihrul: care to continue slate discussion? ok i think if we had two stacks, then it might work out perhaps if "." pushed the message onto that 2nd stack when called but maybe that's just a tangent idea getting ":" and "^" to work around the problems also seems desirable -:- SignOff Kyle_L: #TUNES (Leaving) the whole problem centers around what gets done with results 10:50am hm the karma is pretty bad for now... bbl -:- water [water@tnt-10-29.tscnet.net] has left #tunes [] -:- hcf [nef@207-172-225-113.s113.tnt1.pld.me.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes 11:00am -:- smklsmkl [sami@ppp106.dial-in.verkkotieto.fi] has joined #tunes -:- extrasolar [extrasolar@client563.sedona.net] has joined #Tunes re all 11:20am hello 11:30am -:- Noop [ubiquity@dm3-126.slc.aros.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff smklsmkl: #TUNES (No windows for this server) -:- SignOff Noop: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Noop[dm3-126.slc.aros.net]) -:- SignOff extrasolar: #TUNES (xchat exiting..) -:- smklsmkl [sami@ppp55.dial-in.verkkotieto.fi] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- NetSplit: forward.openprojects.net split from sterling.openprojects.net [02:34pm] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [forward.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: forward.openprojects.net sterling.openprojects.net -:- coreyr [coreyr@net255ip95.parklink.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff ult: #TUNES (Read error to ult[user-38lcc1g.dialup.mindspring.com]: Connection reset by peer) -:- SignOff smklsmkl: #TUNES (Ping timeout for smklsmkl[ppp55.dial-in.verkkotieto.fi]) -:- smklsmkl [sami@ppp55.dial-in.verkkotieto.fi] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff smklsmkl: #TUNES (Ping timeout for smklsmkl[ppp55.dial-in.verkkotieto.fi]) -:- smklsmkl [sami@ppp55.dial-in.verkkotieto.fi] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff smklsmkl: #TUNES (back tomorrow) -:- water [water@tnt-10-218.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes re all 04:30pm eihrul: still here? yeah ok i think we should revisit the idea of linear namespaces and monads wrt figuring out the right semantics for "." and how "^" and ":" should be coded does anything immediately come to mind on how that applies? not right now, i'm kinda trying to work on other things ok, i'll keep looking into it myself 04:40pm -:- billh [billh@cx739861-a.dt1.sdca.home.com] has joined #tunes hey bill hello water. ;-) what's up ? getting headaches trying to work out slate design 05:30pm -:- SignOff smoke: #TUNES (z) btw, someone's apparently registered a #squeak channel -:- Kyle_L [kyle@cr168790-a.nmkt1.on.wave.home.com] has joined #Tunes re kyle 05:50pm hi there -:- SignOff eihrul: #TUNES (Read error to eihrul[usr5-ppp93.lvdi.net]: EOF from client) -:- eihrul [lee@usr5-ppp93.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes 06:00pm -:- SignOff Kyle_L: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- SignOff eihrul: #TUNES (Read error to eihrul[usr5-ppp93.lvdi.net]: EOF from client) -:- eihrul [lee@usr5-ppp93.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes i suppose "." could be thought of as a combination of a monad and a duplication step in a linearly typed system of namespaces that still isn't specific enough, though -:- SignOff water: #TUNES (The Tao went that-a-way!) 07:10pm -:- water [water@tnt-10-218.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes (wierd philosophical discussion on ET life in #{}) 07:30pm -:- Chino [hex@LSANA040-0575.splitrock.net] has joined #tunes hi Hi, water what brings u 2 tunes? :) Curiosity brought me here. have you checked out the site? I wanted to know what you are talking about tunes.... abi: tunes? tunes is a free reflective computing system at http://www.tunes.org or to programming languages what the internet is to networks Yeah, I checked the site but I couldn't understand well... i can explain things are you familiar at all with lisp? (as an example) I just know lisp is a programming language. ok you know it's based on linked-lists, right? (in basic terms) Not really hm what languages have you used? I don't code at all. oh hm Well I studied BASIC, but couldn't master it. well the point of tunes is to make an os where the user's experience extends into the entire system And I know some Fortran... so the user is as powerful as the "kernel hacker" without having to read obscure code the idea of reflection is that you can write programs that generate your code from specifications you write in simpler form Okay and part of the tunes requirements is for the language to treat everything the same way like how smalltalk is a "purely object oriented language" or how lisp can treat programs as linked-list structures and play with them like data I see 07:50pm if you want to see something very much like the tunes in architecture, try squeak s/very// abi: squeak squeak is a cool pure oo language descended from Smalltalk, at http://squeak.cs.uiuc.edu/ or at http://www.squeak.org/ or The open source mouse that roars! Okay Thanks no probs -:- luke_ [luke@203.46.39.102] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff _Luke: #TUNES (Ping timeout for _Luke[203.46.39.102]) 08:00pm Bye all toodles :) most people lurk here :) -:- Chino [hex@LSANA040-0575.splitrock.net] has left #tunes [] 08:40pm -:- ult [ult@user-38lcce2.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #Tunes -:- lar1 [larman@adsl-63-204-134-91.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff lar1: #TUNES (Read error to lar1[adsl-63-204-134-91.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net]: Connection reset by peer) -:- lar1 [larman@adsl-63-204-134-91.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff luke_: #TUNES (Ping timeout for luke_[203.46.39.102]) -:- luke_ [luke@203.46.39.102] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff luke_: #TUNES (Ping timeout for luke_[203.46.39.102]) geez 10:50pm -:- SignOff billh: #TUNES (BitchX: Little. Yellow. Better.) -:- hcf [nef@207-172-225-64.s64.tnt1.pld.me.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes water: any slate news not covered by the log that i havnt read yet? me reading monads and linear naming stuff for defining "." hopefully so more specifying needed b4 eih does a new slate.lisp? i think so although he can hack something together that does nearly everything pretty quickly 11:30pm -:- SignOff ult: #TUNES (Leaving) * coreyr/#tunes is away: chaire, Hupne, ei ho philos emoi. [msg(TUNES)] newlog 2000.0612 IRC log ended Mon Jun 12 00:00:01 2000