IRC log started Thu Apr 20 00:00:01 2000 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 2000.0420 -:- NetSplit: fontana.openprojects.net split from varley.openprojects.net [12:02am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [fontana.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: fontana.openprojects.net varley.openprojects.net -:- core [core@proto6.suntech.fr] has joined #tunes -:- zarq [zarq@10dyn243.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes re 12:10am hohum -:- NetSplit: fontana.openprojects.net split from varley.openprojects.net [12:15am] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [fontana.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: fontana.openprojects.net varley.openprojects.net -:- core [core@proto6.suntech.fr] has joined #tunes -:- zarq [zarq@10dyn243.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff smkl: #TUNES (Ping timeout for smkl[glubimox.yok.utu.fi]) 12:20am -:- smkl [sami@glubimox.yok.utu.fi] has joined #tunes -:- water [water@tnt-10-50.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff core: #TUNES (ircII EPIC4pre2.505 -- Accept no limitations) -:- Desconocido [Desconocid@216.72.31.148] has joined #tunes -:- Desconocido [Desconocid@216.72.31.148] has left #tunes [] -:- jacote [jacote@212.45.140.66] has joined #tunes -:- jacote [jacote@212.45.140.66] has left #tunes [] water: you there? hmm, temporarily curious ppl abi: beep water i beeped water 01:00am asleep at the console again eihrul: if u say it here he most likely will see it gah -:- SignOff eihrul: #TUNES ([x]chat) water: http://www.tunes.org/~eihrul/slate.lisp has working ".." 01:10am -:- SignOff Fare: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Fare[esmeralda.enst.fr]) -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us129.javanet.com] has joined #tunes k -:- SignOff water: #TUNES (The Tao went that-a-way!) 01:50am -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- Fare [rideaufr@esmeralda.enst.fr] has joined #Tunes -:- smoke [smoke@15dyn126.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes -:- nate37 [nate@ppp-207-151-70-73.dialup.pcmagic.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff nate37: #TUNES (nate37 has no reason) -:- SignOff thomas: #TUNES (Read error to thomas[193.217.63.152]: EOF from client) -:- SignOff smoke: #TUNES (One day sheep will rule the world) -:- smoke [smoke@15dyn126.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes -:- Ghyll [karltk@msx-osl-16-48.ppp.cybercity.no] has joined #tunes -:- eihrul [lee@usr5-ppp69.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us132.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff abi: #TUNES (dying by hcf's request) -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes hohum likewise 09:50am anyone here experienced with multithreading in cmucl? i tried pthread_create() from a foreign function call, but then only the thread runs and cmucl hangs smoke: sorry. you should ask Fufie when he gets back. ok thanks 10:20am smoke: well, i doubt cmucl was meant to be perverted in that way through FFI :) smoke: mixing cmucl threads and C threads will likely be very difficult smoke: if you need C stuff in parallel, why not keep it in a separate process? -:- SignOff zarq: #TUNES (Ping timeout for zarq[10dyn243.delft.casema.net]) 11:00am ehm because i need fast switching i want a seperate thread to read keyboard and mouse events is switching between threads and processes equally fast? in Linux, probably equally slow would be a more appropriate term, though... smoke: why do you need a separate thread, though? eihrul: if you really want to know.. :).. eihrul: i'm writing a svgalib wrapper for cmucl eihrul: actually it's a libggi wrapper, but i like using svgalib as a display target for that. 11:10am can't you just poll for events then? eihrul: now svgalib uses the keyboard in RAW mode, and Ctrl+C doesn't signal a SIGINT if you don't read the keyboard state. So if i end up in an infinite loop in lisp, the program hangs other solutions to this problem are greatly appreciated :/ are there non-antique machines that work with svgalib? fare: probably not; that's why I use libggi as a thin compatibility layer smoke: what about "native" cmucl threads? fare: what are they? see aroudn cons.org/ (only supported for the x86, I think) i've grepped every document for the keyword 'thread' already.. Martin Cracauer's page only has a 'work in progress' text about cmucl threads, i couldn't find anything valuable it's typical why everything graphical is so X11 oriented in linux .. :-( smoke: icuc, http://www.tunes.org/list/lispos/9704/msg00227.html 11:20am oops, n/m thats the guy u just mentioned -:- SignOff Ghyll: #TUNES ([x]chat) yes, it's a small world :) he's the one with the lisp machines i mentioned yesterday next thing you know he's bill gates' brother :) and a cousin of lbt, rms, and jmc smoke: well, that's because X11 is more flexible :) eihrul: eh, does that make sense? does what make sense? eihrul: i want a 320x200x256 display and update the screen and poll the mouse 70 times a second.. X11 isn't 'flexible' enough to support that, but my machine (a measly p100) sure is. eh... sure it is! create an image of the desired format draw into it :P eihrul: i can't sync to the vertical retrace in X11 well, you get XSync ()... heh. that's something else :) * eihrul/#tunes shrugs... it synchronizes, to something. yeah, to the event queue :) 11:30am * eihrul/#tunes shrugs. seriously, X11 might be 'flexible', but it's not very useful to me :) for most applications i need no more than textmode, and the only graphical application i'd like to run is a pixel painting program, which requires something simple as svgalib.. well, svgalib isn't useful on most people's hardware that may be so, but i'm not most people. i'm just me. beware the day when you buy an unsupported video card... by the way, most people DO have a ibm vga compatible videoboard. i've written a few libggi intros and a great deal of people were able to view it in svgalib i won't buy an unsupported video card :) i've got 5 cards here all supported by svgalib. how is X11 "flexible"? this isn't very productive discussion though :) i'll get back to searching, thanks! it sure does a lot of things, but "flexible" is not the adjective I'd use smoke: ask the cmucl mailing-list! okay, so bloated... that's more like it 11:40am fare: i did, an hour ago (and still no reply! :-) ahem one hour isn't much an a mailing-list ask on cll, too i was just kidding of course :) isnt there any #lisp channels? not on open projects... there's one registered on this server ult founded it 11:50am so if they're not on this irc net they dont count? hcf: there's #lambda on ircnet 12:00pm -:- lar1 [larman@adsl-63-204-132-162.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #tunes -:- XeF4 [xef4@124.ppp1-14.worldonline.dk] has joined #tunes -:- zarq [zarq@10dyn243.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes hi zarq -:- SignOff XeF4: #TUNES (Leaving) 12:50pm -:- rasjah [tafari@isdn350.s.netic.de] has joined #tunes jkljljkl I agree I'd say even more: jkljljkl! just testing (anyone reads Tintin, out there?) belgian comics 01:00pm my first time on irc contretest congratulations! i tried to find the channel #freent oops, #freenet itīs on irc.openprojects.net how do i get there ? /join #freenet thnx yer welcome 01:10pm -:- SignOff rasjah: #TUNES (ciao) -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us226.javanet.com] has joined #tunes abi: newlisp is at http://www.nuevatec.com/newlisp/ abi: mulisp is at http://www.ti.com/calc/docs/derivemulisp.htm 01:50pm new lisp? the commercials at the newlisp site are scaring me away.. is it fun? 02:00pm -:- Closing Link: TUNES[bespin.dhs.org] by lackey.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for TUNES[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- Connection closed from irc.us.openprojects.net: Success -:- Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] -:- Your nick [TUNES] is owned by tunes@bespin.dhs.org -:- BitchX+Deb1an: For more information about BitchX type /about -:- Welcome to the Internet Relay Network TUNES_ (from clarke.openprojects.net) -:- Your host is clarke.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) (from clarke.openprojects.net) -:- This server was cobbled together Wed Apr 28 1999 at 13 24:47 EDT(from clarke.openprojects.net) -:- clarke.openprojects.net u2.10.05.18.(ipcheck4-5) dioswkfcg biklmnopstv -:- [local users on irc(13)] 1% -:- [global users on irc(503)] 47% -:- [invisible users on irc(567)] 53% -:- [ircops on irc(19)] 2% -:- [total users on irc(1070)] -:- [unknown connections(0)] -:- [total servers on irc(33)] (avg. 32 users per server) -:- [total channels created(332)] (avg. 3 users per channel) !clarke.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 29 (28 clients) !clarke.openprojects.net Welcome to Open Projects! You are on 5 ca 1(2) ft 14(14) tr. -:- Mode change [+f] for user TUNES_ -:- Mode change [+iws] for user TUNES_ -:- TUNES_ [tunes@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- Topic for #TUNES: Tunes - Free, Reflective Computing System: http://www.tunes.org/ || Slate Tutorial: http://www.tunes.org/~water/slate-tutorial.html -:- topic set by water [Mon Apr 17 19:43:37 2000] -:- [Users(#tunes:11)] [ TUNES_ ] [ hcf ] [ zarq ] [ lar1 ] [ abi ] [ eihrul ] [ smoke ] [ Fare ] [ smkl ] [ coreyr ] [ TUNES ] -:- Channel #tunes was created at Sun Feb 28 08:48:06 1999 [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed nyz (This nick is reserved by another user) -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Join to #tunes was synced in 8.902 secs!! -:- SignOff TUNES: #TUNES (Ping timeout for TUNES[bespin.dhs.org]) [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed Nicholas (This nick is reserved by another user) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net break: devlin.openprojects.net lackey.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed Jakes (This nick is reserved by another user) [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Net junction: devlin.openprojects.net lackey.openprojects.net [openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from lackey.openprojects.net. 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Have I been cryogenically frozen for 1000 years?!? Next thing you know, Tunes Release 1 will actually come out!!! [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed LaGgEr (This nick is reserved by another user) well, apparently, because that topic has been there for weeks already... heh it is sad though how miserably tunes has failed to date :/ has it? it is not even something funny to jibe about anymore... it is just, lame smoke: do you see a tunes distribution off of the tunes site? eihrul: no, but does that matter? 04:50pm eihrul: i've learned a great deal thanks to the tunes project well, that wasn't the explicit goal of the tunes project :) oh :) well, it was and it wasn't... it was a means, not the end [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed [hC] (This nick is reserved by another user) tunes should move on it seems to me that you're too scared to pick a hll eh? you = tunes people * eihrul/#tunes shrugs. on the contrary everyone has their own particular language they're rooting for... yes _a_ hll. * eihrul/#tunes shrugs. you can't implement tunes with 50 different languages that would require leadership and organization it's like the tower of babel or so :) and atleast some form of collaboration well it requires someone who doesn't really care for the future of tunes. I agree with Brian (!) that this whole HLL/LLL thing is missing the point. [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed [hC] (This nick is reserved by another user) collaboration and organization doesn't work imo. i'd say someone should step forward and say "tunes is going with language X, take it or leave it" you could eventually fork two or three tuneses and make them converge later on If/when Tunes reaches its goals, it'll be irrelevant; any two "Tunes-ready" languages should be trivially equivalent. then again, i'm only a lurker and shouldn't meddle with things like this Kaufmann: sure, the problem is to walk unto the promised land of Tunes, but you have to walk through the valley of bootstrapping first :) [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed Kuma (This nick is reserved by another user) ah yes that's where Slate comes in, I guess :) if noone wants to let anyone through the valley, they're definitely not getting to the promised land :) i doubt that two tunes languages would be equivalent equivalent in expressiveness yes, what eihrul said equivalent in the vaguest sense of the word you mean? no... equivalent not as in "effectively equal", but as in "conceptually parallel". hm is there any clarity on concepts like typing and usage of the language ? 05:00pm [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed [hC] (This nick is reserved by another user) "is there any clarity" - what do you mean? well, the website is quite vague on what the language should support ah for example, it's not at all clear at what machines it's targeted well, the website is quite vague on everything. nor have i found out if it will support typing as restrictive as in haskell/caml or as freely as in lisps so there's a potential gap between two tunes languages imo smoke, are we talking about Slate or about Tunes in general? tunes in general ah well, static typing is just an additional kind of metaprogramming which could be easily added to an existing Tunes language. it's not fundamental? evidently not. i'm not at all a language expert, but you probably noticed that :) heh neither am I, really well it seems to me that it's quite hard to add strict typing rules to something like scheme it won't change the language much, but it sure would change the way in which it can be used sure and the latter is what it's all about with tunes iirc but that's only because the environment doesn't allow enough reflectiveness heh tunes might as well be called 'mirror' with all that reflectivity going on in a properly reflective Scheme system, you could define, in Scheme itself, some objects equivalent to types, come up with some constraints based on those types so that you have a type system equivalent to, say, Haskell's (forgot the name), and have the compiler, from now on, check for those constraints before executing any further code. something-milner type system or what not :) by the way, I've refocused my personal work towards a system to compile and execute code from an arbitrary VHLL on the fly on FPGAs. general enough? :) fpga? Kaufmann: why bother? is a hardware mechanism necessarily any more flexible? smoke, field-programmable gate array than treating the software as a machine simply for specifying other machines? (rather than directly as a machine itself) eihrul, not more flexible, not necessarily, but it does allow for some particularly interesting possibilities... like "hardcoding" the entire system core on a part of the FPGA... so that you have the benefits both of special-purpose and general-purpose chips. except... ... including, but not limited to performance only more expensively! 05:10pm * eihrul/#tunes likes the direction transmeta went. heh move functionality out of the hardware actually, FPGAs are getting cheaper... just not very fast, because of the PC industry's vested interests. ... however, AFAIK, the Oxygen project on MIT is going in the right direction, and if they're able to actually _do_ even half of what they're promising, then I think there'll be enough impulse in the industry for us to finally get to cheap FPGA-based tech. (meanwhile, you can still pre-order some FPGA-based supercomputers from Starbridge Systems in Salt Lake City... 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[openprojects]!clarke.openprojects.net lackey.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. 01:40am -:- smoke [smoke@15dyn160.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes smoke: did you read the CLHS re: setq and setf ? clhs? are you a LISPer? i've started learning lisp 2 months ago or so :) oh you mean the hyperspec :) * Fare/#Tunes hides: the CLHS is not in the review page! abi: clhs? clhs is, like, the Common LISP HyperSpec at http://www.harlequin.com/education/books/HyperSpec/ no, CLHS is the Common LISP HyperSpec at http://www.xanalys.com/software_tools/reference/hyperspec.html 01:50am -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us812.javanet.com] has joined #tunes Fare: hrmm, know of any statically compiled languages that will play nice with hardware? well, good ones, i mean how that "play nice with hardware"? well, play nice with foreign assembly functions i should say... that's just a matter of documenting the FFI Fare: that and something targetted at operating systems most implementations I know document their FFI, although most of the time you have to go through C, not direct assembly targetted at OS? writing well, there's SPIN (in Modula-3) and Fox and ML/OS (in SML/NJ) I know people have used caml-light in embedded devices C makes me want to vomit... 02:10am * Fare/#Tunes hands eihrul a load of brown bags * eihrul/#tunes ponders working on his compiler sooner than he planned. abi: no, clhs is the Common LISP HyperSpec at http://www.xanalys.com/software_tools/reference/HyperSpec/ okay, hcf. 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