IRC log started Thu Apr 6 00:00:01 2000 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 2000.0406 what brings you back to tunes? -:- crow [Chris@vcta01m07-58.bctel.ca] has joined #tunes i was thinking about EROS (extreamly realiable os) ..i like the 'capabilities' (for access control security) i wonder if tunes has 'capabilities' 12:40am heh 01:00am hi crow tunes' capabilities are supposed to be based on language features and yes that includes access control 01:10am -:- smoke [smoke@15dyn132.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes HI WATER, SORRY I WAS AWAY FROM THE CONSOLE. crow, please don't capitalize your words np. hum 01:20am could someone fill me re:tunes fufie: would you handle that, please? hum crow: what do you want to know? hum shush nat seems like it is an operating system I didn't know about? sigh have you read the tunes docs? or the faq? no but I'm looking now. please do 01:30am so far it reads like the complex integrating functions of the human personality bullshit integrating functions? true, sounds like bullshit to me, too all it means is that you pick a good abstract programming language, write a self-bootstrapping compiler, and host an os based on it period the rest is either political nonsense or a derivative of that idea my exper. is in spirit, not computer programming, but computers are extentions of the human mind which is the extention of all life no they aren't and i also am an expert in spirit so, relate it they don't if it doesn't then it won't computers are an extension of death, not life 01:40am only if you allow it to dominate your life and programming especially so * water/#tunes hurls the Vedas at crow get a clue death and life are the same process oh the zen master speaks on irc? crow: death after 2 seconds isn't even a process computers do our bidding (ideally) lol crow: one cannot go out kill -9 `pidof death` what does lol mean. crow: you believe that you exist, don't you? lol->laugh out loud those are unneccessary words so are these :) water: is this your new ai bot btw? :-) existence is not a belief * nate37/#tunes is the king of unneccessary words nate: yep I bow recpectfully to that but what of the *fact* tht existence is not a belief? or what is that "fact"? I am slow typer, please have patience with me Conscious belief is only part of the program irc is not the place for meaningful high-bandwidth interaction why not screw conscious belief crow: typing rate :) #:?) to you i squeeze my thoughts through ascii the void knows that squeezing my thoughts through the english language is stressful enough well I am not knowledgable in ascii, just am full of opinin:) crow: you're typing in ascii lol and yes, you're full of it :) I really do love to learn about operating systems, but I am right'brained oh? you had a lobotomy or something? tunes is not like other os ideas I've read some stuff, it looks great you could try squeak and not know the difference between squeak and tunes abi: tell crow about squeak 01:50am water: why isn't squeak used then? most people don't have enough of a clue about languages to tell the difference between squeak and tunes give me the command, I new to irc command for what? not sure, my console just changed....abi? abi sent you a message hm this is quite the waste of time, teaching irc instead of working on ideas sometimes ideas come from challanges if you're not bright enough to tell a charlatan from an honest answer to a challenge, then there's no point crow: teaching irc is not a challenge, it is boring * water/#tunes nods fair enough, but patience is, you never know when you will need it. bye for now :) -:- crow [Chris@vcta01m07-58.bctel.ca] has left #tunes [] yeah i always have patience when i'm scanning the logs what is squeak manily used from in terms of applications? 02:00am well disnet uses it disney, even it's for making educational software, both for teaching programming and other subjects hmmmm... other subjects related to computers? but you can use it for anything that uses 3d or needs to be really cross-platform wtf? why don't you just join the squeak mlist and ask? nevermind or better yet, read the faq the whole of the education system does *not* revolve around computers I know that... but I wasn't sure if u meant 'other subjects' as in research in structers of computer and stuff like that, or other schooling subjects. the 2nd one 02:10am -:- SignOff nate37: #TUNES (cyas) -:- SignOff water: #TUNES (The Tao went that-a-way!) -:- nate37 [nate@ppp-206-117-3-167.dialup.pcmagic.net] has joined #tunes hum hummy hum sup fufie? 02:40am -:- eihrul [lee@usr5-ppp45.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes I have a cold or something and I have an appointment with the dentist today :-/ and it is pouring down outside 02:50am in other words it is a wonderful day.. well... why could one possible infer that pouring rain could have any relation to the other two? :P now, if it were a sunny day... Fufie: sounds nice :) 03:00am -:- SignOff eihrul: #TUNES ([x]chat) -:- SignOff smoke: #TUNES (Ping timeout for smoke[15dyn132.delft.casema.net]) -:- smoke [smoke@15dyn132.delft.casema.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff nate37: #TUNES (Bogo Ping time out ;)) -:- witten [witten@un.torsion.org] has joined #tunes -:- witten [witten@un.torsion.org] has left #tunes [] -:- SignOff Eeeep: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Eeeep[usr31-dialup4.mix1.Sacramento.cw.net]) -:- smoke_ [smoke@vengeance.et.tudelft.nl] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.dhs.org]) -:- abi [nef@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #tunes -:- lar1 [larman@adsl-63-204-134-241.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #tunes -:- lar1 [larman@adsl-63-204-134-241.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has left #tunes [] -:- SignOff smoke_: #TUNES (later) -:- SignOff thomas: #TUNES (Ping timeout for thomas[193.217.63.152]) -:- XeF4 [xef4@amanjaku.epilogue.org] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff XeF4: #TUNES (reboot to v2os) -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us105.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- XeF4 [xef4@194.255.106.40] has joined #tunes !seen tcn 10:00am abi: seen tcn tcn was last seen on IRC 18 hours, 53 minutes and 38 seconds ago, saying: see ya [Wed Apr 5 15:12:41 2000] 10:10am -:- thomas [thomas@193.217.63.152] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff XeF4: #TUNES (BitchX-75p3 -- just do it.) * Fufie/#tunes left-clicks thomas -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- manuel [manuel@nic-pm05-l06.spidernet.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff manuel: #TUNES (leaving) -:- XeF4 [xef4@194.255.106.40] has joined #tunes -:- Downix [down@d-gnaps-137.ici.net] has joined #tunes -:- quarkless [lysergicac@intelligenesis.net] has joined #tunes -:- eihrul [lee@usr5-ppp29.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes abi: seen tcn tcn was last seen on IRC 23 hours, 29 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: see ya [Wed Apr 5 15:12:41 2000] -:- SignOff smoke: #TUNES (One day sheep will rule the world) -:- SignOff XeF4: #TUNES (off) 02:50pm -:- XeF4 [xef4@3.ppp1-9.worldonline.dk] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff XeF4: #TUNES (XeF4 has no reason) -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us320.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- nate37_ [nate@ppp-207-151-70-95.dialup.pcmagic.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff Downix: #TUNES (Read error to Downix[d-gnaps-137.ici.net]: Connection reset by peer) -:- SignOff nate37_: #TUNES (nate37_ has no reason) -:- SignOff eihrul: #TUNES ([x]chat) -:- SignOff quarkless: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- water [water@tnt-10-50.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes 'lo it's amazing how good meditation helps with my perspective 07:00pm it's also amazing how little traffic the channel often gets. is anyone here? well, holler up when you want me to pay attention hm, maybe that's not such a good offer to tunesers ;) 07:10pm -:- ult [ult@user-38lcmu2.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #Tunes re 'lo i just spent two hours meditating on slate 07:20pm and arrow and tunes, mathematics, logic, etc Narigula. pardon? anyway, i figured out a lot of the big picture with slate as tunes hll 07:30pm -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us1028.javanet.com] has joined #tunes i figured out some more stuff for the slate-as-hll post unfortunately, the web pages i'm working on are all in shambles i can't seem to get them in good order in any "good order" or _the_ "good order"? and i'm battling depression because i code in VB at work for the gov't :) -:- rares [rares@nwhn-sh2-port186.snet.net] has joined #tunes the right now, i have "any" already posted online (same as before) perhaps i have web-designer's block 07:40pm you know, it really makes one's ideas feel worth expressing when they ellicit no response -:- XeF4 [xef4@35.ppp1-17.worldonline.dk] has joined #tunes you know, it really makes it easier to provide a response, when you don't call everyone leeches and flame them for responding. :) well at least you're listening besides, not responding is what i was referring to when i said "leeching" or not responding with worthwhile thought 07:50pm well, Tril and Beholder are once again not to be seen for months at a time to say nothing of Fare's lack of participation in anything tunes Fare hasn't participated in Tunes in a looooooong time. That's not unusual for him. it's odd how i'm reading this paper on monadic methods in oo and it looks totally un-intuitive, even though i've grokked monads before 08:00pm they keep switching around the notation which makes it very confusing one paper uses haskell syntax only, while others use various (and i mean a lot) kinds of mathematical notations bleh it doesn't help that sometimes the postscript page-numbering is non-existent ult: ya know, you're always the person to pipe up in response about how unhelpful Fare is to his own project not that it isn't true, of course, but i was wondering why you in particular would feel that way more than others would? Me and Fare...have had words. ;) when? about what? I did some volunteer stuff for Tunes, did something a bit stupid, he blew it out of proportion neglecting to mention that he himself rarely actually did anything. hm I think somewhere deep inside he realizes Tunes isn't really his baby anymore -- he neglected it...and perhaps he may be a tad jealous. i recall that But then again, maybe I'm just an asshole. 08:10pm well if you're an asshole, then so am ... oh wait ;) huahaha * water/#tunes tries to grok the theory of monadic oo interacting with non-monadic oo -:- SignOff rares: #TUNES ([x]chat) well anyway, i think i've worked out more details on the idea of mate-objects (or spaces) than Fare ever thought of, let alone wrote about heh s/mate/meta/ probably That's one of the few good things about slate ;) the best part is that my mo's are compatible with the tunes hll ideas and i think i've settled on reducing state to a reflective action i.e. the mo implements the state of its objects sort of like environments in scheme, only more expressive 08:20pm it *might* be possible to reduce a slate spec to that of the implementation of a structure of bmo's that implement the meta-behavior that describes language features (e.g. the literal system) -:- Downix [down@d-gnaps-13.ici.net] has joined #tunes hey dx Sounds simplistic enough heh that almost sounds like an insult ;) hey water we'll have to see if it works... if it does, it won't be a very simple spec since a lot of mo legwork would have to be done to get all the kinds of meta-behavior one would want out of a normal programming language what's news. dx? s/./,/ just getting closer to a working design cool. likewise Eddas will be done before Tunes will be well sure 08:30pm we were just discussing how Fare is like a negligent parent :) quite, quite heh that's pretty quick agreement ack bbiaf -:- SignOff ult: #TUNES (Leaving) * water/#tunes still doesn't feel comfortable with monads well water, most people have gonads, so you really shouldn't worry so much about it yeah well i dislike those even more so :P -:- ult [ult@user-38lc60e.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #Tunes * ult/#Tunes comes back i read this cog sci paper yesterday and drew this interesting metaphor between right vs left-hemisphere style thinking and nonlinear vs discrete state machines re ideally, the mind could be seen as a dual-processor system with lots of nonlinear feedback dynamics that vary with physiology and metabolism of the particular person one side is not just about intuition (which seems very one-dimensional and non-utm-like), it's about a kind of processing modality and both sides have their own optimal resonance qualities wrt computational bandwidth i.e. computational demand on either processor can't be a constant thing because of feedback processes 08:40pm * XeF4/#tunes just had some very interesting thoughts about reflection he can't quite articulate hm why am i not surprised (about articulation issue)? sorry that sounded ruder than i intended it it's not your fault that people discourage you from formalizing thoughts like that water: that.. and I think a few orders faster than I verbalize btw, the above thought process was what prompted me to mention the metacortex reference in "the matrix" last night uhhh xef4: everyones does, to tell the truth metacortex? the name of the software corporation where neo worked Erm I thought it was megatech heh * ult/#Tunes has the movie downstairs and can always check later ;) nope that was another scifi movie, though i don't recall immediately what it was Hey actually that sounds like a good idea. I want to watch it. Good movie. Megatech was a company used in 2 billion anime movies oh of course :) * Downix/#tunes laughs It's just a generic translation of the japanese company names =) It's like Acme actually hm well this thread degenerated Yeah it did yup * water/#tunes makes a note to himself to avoid mentioning "the matrix" if at all possible hat was the stupidest thread * Downix/#tunes laughs well what about that idea about the brain? * water/#tunes listens to the crickets chirping outside the chatroom you see, this is what i mean about leeching (i'm not pissed, but this is a good point) what's that quote from the bible about "throwing pearls to swine"? 08:50pm hm yet another formal notation for monads perhaps no one really is comfortable with using them, and they're just used to get grant money :) -:- SignOff XeF4: #TUNES (sleep or productivity) there we go same as it ever was :) * ult/#Tunes cackles water sometimes you do make sense =) i'd rather make some millions $) 09:00pm hmm monadic oo in slate would be rather natural * ult/#Tunes puts matrix on -:- NetSplit: fontana.openprojects.net split from varley.openprojects.net [09:06pm] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [fontana.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: fontana.openprojects.net varley.openprojects.net -:- water [water@tnt-10-50.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes that was odd 09:10pm 10$ says the Agents in The Matrix were written in Lisp. ;) i guess that explains the arrogance Heh. 09:20pm hm a slate object plus some partially-evaluated part of its meta-behavior basically forms a monad 10:00pm -:- eihrul [lee@usr5-ppp92.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff Downix: #TUNES (Read error to Downix[d-gnaps-13.ici.net]: Connection reset by peer) -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- ult_ [ult@user-38lcn4q.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #Tunes -:- SignOff ult: #TUNES (Ping timeout for ult[user-38lc60e.dialup.mindspring.com]) -:- ult_ is now known as ult -:- SignOff eihrul: #TUNES ([x]chat) [msg(TUNES)] newlog 2000.0407 IRC log ended Fri Apr 7 00:00:00 2000