IRC log started Mon Nov 15 00:00:01 1999 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.1115 -:- SignOff lar1: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- SignOff _ruiner_: #TUNES (destroy what destroys you) -:- SignOff Fare: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Fare[quatramaran.ens.fr]) -:- Fare [fare@quatramaran.ens.fr] has joined #Tunes -:- SignOff eihrul: #TUNES (Ping timeout for eihrul[usr5-ppp161.lvdi.net]) !spice:*! f00! -:- eihrul [lee@usr5-ppp161.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff Zhivago: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Zhivago[th.merddin.com.au]) -:- Zhivago [brian@th.merddin.com.au] has joined #tunes -:- Kaufmann [Kaufmann@dial171.infolink.com.br] has joined #tunes Shalom! -:- SignOff Kaufmann: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Kaufmann[dial171.infolink.com.br]) 08:20am -:- SignOff Zhivago: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Zhivago[th.merddin.com.au]) -:- Zhivago [brian@th.merddin.com.au] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff eihrul: #TUNES (Ping timeout for eihrul[usr5-ppp161.lvdi.net]) -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us1047.javanet.com] has joined #tunes * Fufie/#tunes yawns... -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@207-172-50-34.s288.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes !larne:*! ok, who's adding the gline to admincomms.com.au? -:- yoo [ultima@user-38lcn75.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #tunes Foo! Bar! 0m 02:00pm Mu 'lo Fare. hi, yoo who are yoo? Why, I am me! no, yoo're not mee! Ult =) -:- Fare is now known as mee heh ehe for those who missed it, http://caml.inria.fr/icfp99-contest/ -:- mee is now known as Fare What's that? ah. Wow. That's a ... large ... program... 02:20pm -:- SignOff yoo: #TUNES (Read error to yoo[user-38lcn75.dialup.mindspring.com]: Connection reset by peer) -:- eihrul [lee@usr5-ppp167.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes -:- yoo [ultima@user-38lc6bs.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #Tunes Y * yoo/#Tunes ponders Z RRRR..... The gang's all here! 03:50pm wild chance: anyone used PLOB! here? 04:00pm ok.. anyone know of any IR (Information Retrieval) implementations that are open source (and hopefully trivial to implment in lisp)? -:- _ruiner_ [blah@ppp156.wi.centurytel.net] has joined #tunes 04:10pm -:- SignOff _ruiner_: #TUNES (Leaving) Fufie: PLOB! is not fully opensource afaik 04:20pm Fufie: now, if you read its implementation notes, it could be done with any kind of underlying database. -:- fire``` [thrustit@209-68-229-162.dialup.cust.tfb.com] has joined #tunes -:- fire``` is now known as fire fare: no.. PLOB is not open source (my questions were separate) fare is talking?! as for PLOB I am pondering if anyone has used it and could give advice on a strategy to use it for some specific data structures fire: no, I'm just writing and yes PLOB could theoretically be strapped to another underlying DB.. -:- SignOff yoo: #TUNES (Leaving) from the implementation notes, PLOB! looks like it requires you to explicitly use transactions to get any efficiency fare: i have made the big switch to scheme aren't you proud of me? fire: should I? 04:30pm yes.. the efficiency of PLOB worries me.. and that is sortof why I want to do a loose binding and change to MySQL at a later stage now, switch to OCaml :) fire: once you get to know scheme, go Common Lisp hellz no! * Fare/#Tunes doesn't like SQL i like scheme the next step will be the TUNES HLL that's it! :) not fond of SQL either and I will need to do serious serialising to be able to use it and that's why PLOB could be my solution :) i fear i use set! too much but it seems so necesary fire: use LET ... use let instead of set!? (I'm damaged after trying to teach Scheme the last semester :) fire: yes how? fufie: did the teachscheme project's material help? fire: use LET to make scoped variables instead of manipulating variables with SET!.. SET! is evil.. ;) but where? but is it as elegant? fare: somewhat.. not a lot. This was a course for intermediate/graduates and the beginner approach of teachscheme was too basic.. ended up making my own slides in the variable definitions? say you wanted to advance in a list like (set! expression (cdr expression)) how would you do that with let? fire: the clue of LET is to allow variables to be scoped and specify how long they're useful and reduce side-effects fire: if you want to traverse a list you should use recursion in scheme would you then use set! inside the let? well i want to permenantly change it how long is permanently?? is it a global variable? yes global variables are bad you know ;) instead of recursion, you can use catamorphisms... well i don't want to have 10 arguments fire: make a class/closure 04:40pm * fire/#tunes waits for the catamorphism explanation need sleep.. afk adios i sure do love scheme -:- fire has changed the topic on channel #tunes to: Even through the hard t heme. :) er -:- fire has changed the topic on channel #tunes to: Even through the hard times you were always there for me. I love you scheme. :) fire: read bananas, envelopes, barbed wire by erik where? fire: i can dcc it ok 04:50pm -:- lar1 [LarMan@dialup-209.244.105.190.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #tunes Hey 05:10pm abi: seen water? water was last seen on IRC 14 days, 5 hours, 50 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying: good point [Mon Nov 1 11:19:50 1999] hi fire: What do you think about a dual 466 clerery? Yay or nay? i'd like one but i can't make em :( im too afraid but othetwise yay Get the bp6 by abit It duals 2 ppgas No mods needed shit...just when you want to use tail recursion so that it'll return to itself I start using scheme where it's the same as a goto Hehe Use C no -:- lar1 has changed the topic on channel #tunes to: Even through the hard times you were always there for me. I love you scheme. :) (fire) Except if you want to use tail recursion... (lar1) that topic is sorta misleading i want to use recursion just not with the optimisation -:- lar1 has changed the topic on channel #tunes to: Even through the hard times you were always there for me. I love you scheme. :) (fire) Except if you want to use tail recursion without optimisations... (lar1) :D Now the topic just sounds stupid... oh well :) Heh... (ifconfig eth0 || up)|eject /dev/cdrom... was on /. 05:20pm Well no matter what NASM macros are _sweet_! -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Have Nice Day :)) 05:30pm Does anyone have ruiners mail? 05:50pm -:- SignOff lar1: #TUNES (Ping timeout for lar1[dialup-209.244.105.190.SanJose1.Level3.net]) -:- lar1 [LarMan@dialup-209.245.136.2.SanJose1.Level3.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff fire: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- SignOff lar1: #TUNES (Ping timeout for lar1[dialup-209.245.136.2.SanJose1.Level3.net]) -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us321.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff eihrul: #TUNES (Ping timeout for eihrul[usr5-ppp167.lvdi.net]) -:- air [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- SignOff Zhivago: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Zhivago[th.merddin.com.au]) -:- vishal [user3785@PPP-189-231.bng.vsnl.net.in] has joined #tunes hello hi what brings u here? time do u have a question about tunes? no idea? -:- air has changed the topic on channel #tunes to: TUNES Reflective Computing System http://www.tunes.org 09:40pm hi guys ctc abi u there -:- SignOff air: #TUNES (BRiX [http://www.qzx.com/brix] :: sleep) 10:00pm -:- vishal [user3785@PPP-189-231.bng.vsnl.net.in] has left #tunes [] -:- fire [thrustit@209-68-229-51.dialup.cust.tfb.com] has joined #tunes hallo 10:10pm -:- SignOff Tril: #TUNES (Tril has no reason) -:- SignOff fire: #TUNES (Leaving) !irq:*! anyone see adams.* ping out tonight? -:- eihrul [lee@usr5-ppp47.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes [msg(TUNES)] newlog 1999.1116 IRC log ended Tue Nov 16 00:00:01 1999