IRC log started Sat Nov 13 00:00:01 1999 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.1113 -:- hcf_ [nef@me-portland-us224.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- hcf_ is now known as hcf [openprojects]!lewis.openprojects.net Net break: sterling.openprojects.net devlin.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) <_ruiner_> abi: water? water is at http://www.tunes.org/~water/water.html or an expression of the Tao or our island of intelligence or mailto:water@tunes.org 12:40am [openprojects]!lewis.openprojects.net Net junction: sterling.openprojects.net devlin.openprojects.net [openprojects]!lewis.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from devlin.openprojects.net. 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[openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed larne (This nick is reserved by another user) [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed larne (This nick is reserved by another user) [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed larne (This nick is reserved by another user) [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed Abaddon (This nick is reserved by another user) [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed Abaddon (This nick is reserved by another user) [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed abaddon (This nick is reserved by another user) [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed Deek (GHOST command used by _Deek_) -:- SignOff eihrul: #TUNES (Ping timeout for eihrul[usr5-ppp08.lvdi.net]) -:- eihrul [lee@usr5-ppp08.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed Waster_ (GHOST command used by The_Blind) -:- Kaufmann [Kaufmann@dial707.infolink.com.br] has joined #tunes Shalom! Anyone? 07:30am Oh well 07:40am I'm going now Slalom Kaufmann -:- SignOff Kaufmann: #TUNES (I'd rather be a tortoise from Galapagos) [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed wastrel (GHOST command used by wastre1) -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@207-172-49-62.s62.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes 08:00am [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed Waster_ (GHOST command used by The_Blind) [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed Gandalf (This nick is reserved by another user) [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed hroi (This nick is reserved by another user) -:- Kaufmann [Kaufmann@dial717.infolink.com.br] has joined #tunes Anyone want to co-author with me an osOpinion article on user interface as a reflection issue? 10:30am [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed revd-away (GHOST command used by revdiablo) ? say WHAT????? Yeah -:- beholder [beholder@ppp-037.m2-1.sub.ican.net] has joined #tunes beh, want to co-author with me an osOpinion article about user interface as a reflection issue? UI as a reflection issue? How does reflection fit into UI? -:- Kaufmann` [Kaufmann@dial741.infolink.com.br] has joined #tunes back -:- SignOff Kaufmann: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Kaufmann[dial717.infolink.com.br]) UI as a reflection issue? How does reflection fit into UI? Last two things I said As I said before (quote) Simply put, most UIs to this day are based on gratuitous restriction of user flexibility (quote) By UI I mean the entire set of services and methods that support the interaction between the computing system and the outside world Ahh, in that sense, yes that statement sounds reasonable :) 10:50am Instead of designing UI in the traditional way, system designers should focus on making the rest of the system correct, and then designing a framework for the creation of arbitrary ontologies for system interaction s/system interaction/user interaction/ Kauf: I'll be back later tonight, something just came up, I'm interested though :) -:- beholder [beholder@ppp-037.m2-1.sub.ican.net] has left #tunes [] -:- SignOff Kaufmann`: #TUNES (I'd rather be a tortoise from Galapagos) 11:00am [openprojects]!lewis.openprojects.net services1.openprojects.net adding GLINE for *@*.cas-kit.golden.net, expiring at 942530708: Your domain is temporarily restricted from access. 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For more information, please email support@openprojects.net. ls su w4chjs87d oops bah don't be a twink 03:00pm y00, j00 'r' 31337 03:10pm -:- fire` [thrustit@209-68-229-151.dialup.cust.tfb.com] has joined #tunes fire :) Fufie :D what's up? nothing really... need a nap soon :) ah i just got back from a cross country meet any luck at finding a gf or hacking code today? my team is the league champions :) nice.. well both sorta :D im continuing to work on my HLL prototype for TUNES (i've stopped with trying to take credit and now im just making everything for TUNES) while with the gf part... well im getting there :) are you going for a PhD? I have been asked but I don't know Fare here is a PhD...i don't know if it's worth it er becoming one PhD doesn't mean too much imho.. apart from using several years on a possible meaningless topic i figure if you go six years you might as well go seven my brother was going for a bs in cs but he decided to get his masters takes two-three years here and is longer than a regular PhD.. it's called dr.scient where do you live? norway 03:20pm * fire`/#tunes adds a notch to his scandenavian people knowing stick :) the nordic countries is maybe a bit overrepresented in the free software segment I guess -:- SignOff y00: #TUNES (Ping timeout for y00[user-38lc6b7.dialup.mindspring.com]) yeah let me see one norwegian one swed and two finns no wait * binEng/#tunes waves from Sweden 2 norwegians * fire`/#tunes waves back bin:) :) my grandmother is over from germany :) and my cousin from germany is coming next week that's in the neighbourhood ;) im an international kinda guy hey is there a function in scheme that returns from another function? can you rephrase that my natural language parser failed.. heh like say you are using a recursive function as a loop and you want to break how would you do that? like a "return" in c/c++ you mean? yeah you would have a conditional or RETURN/RETURN-FROM in CL? oui ...? zero no simple return-functionality in scheme.. you need a base case in your (tail-)recursive function which returns [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed wichert (GHOST command used by wichert_) oh i see what smkl is saying nevermind i'll just return #t in a conditional if i want to break since the function isn't being used for it's return value fire`: what is that function supposed to do? 03:30pm just evaluate a string god i love scheme excellent language for teaching yes indeed after you've programmed in C it's like you are reborn when you start scheme that is -:- y00 [ultima@user-37kbao7.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #Tunes does ('()) return null? (null? '()) ? erm no your telling lisp to evaluate nil in my conditional it tests to see if a value is null then return null how would i do that? 03:40pm use NULL? to test for the empty-list '() What dialect? scheme in scheme the empty list is a special symbol Hmm, I'm a Common Lisp type =| i would have thought null? would return #t/#f in CL, it'd be (if (null x) nil t) -:- SignOff binEng: #TUNES ( <k!14>) (Returns nil if x is nil, otherwise, t) y00: the empty-list is not the same as nil in scheme fire: it does.. (cond ((eq? '() first-char) (?)) ? being what i don't know Wow. (if (null? arg) some-chose-null-value some-chosen-non-null-value) Scheme doesn't have nil, does it? scheme is j00 daddy y00: no.. that's why common lispers start out with (define nil '()) Ah. y00: in scheme that is ;) That was understood =) well all lispers should be commended :) and the boolean faalse value #f is different from '() :( fufie: your explanation doesn't make sense fire: have you got a good scheme book? unfortunately no i have an online book actually dybvig's? http://www.scheme.com/tspl2d/index.html no an introduction to scheme and it's implementation check out the link I gave you instead though.. if you can get your hands on Structure and Interpretations of Computer Programs (SICP) by Abelson and Sussman that would be the best oh of course i've read the first chapter (which is online) nice book im sorta low on funding right now check out the local university library 03:50pm i'll ask my brother if he could check out the UCSD cs library or do as I do.. take an office stroll and talk about silly things while you really scan bookshelves heh but um back to my problem (cond ((eq? '() first-char) (?)) damnit wait a second what are you really trying to do? (cond ((null? first-char) (?)) there we go im writing a very short lexer sorta why do you call the function ? (if there is such a thing) it evaluates the input but quickly now what goes inside where ? is? 42! umm... the function you want to call I guess.. except on tuesdays. no no y00: right after teatime.. to return null what is 'null' then? no such thing in scheme '() i want to return '() (cond ((null? first-char) '()) ...) ok :D excellent it will be more readable if you make a (define null '()) at the start and do: (cond ((null? first-char) null) ...) sorry but im not one of those CL freaks :P no.. the silly CL freaks want readable code.. wankers ;) hehe Heh. Well, it makes sense that students like scheme so much. They can write code so ugly that the prof just gives them full credit, without even looking at the code =) while im at it, is there a scheme function that converts a number string into a number? y00: this semester when I lectured in Scheme I got some really bad formatted/organised scheme code at the first assignment and they got them back to fix.. on later assignments it looked nice and they all used emacs ;) string->number ? yes :) 04:00pm no.. tired.. good night.. (afk) :( -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@216-164-129-155.s409.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes howdy Al om ToPiQuE? scheme What are you planning now? =P I don't know that or smalltalk... KFL reccomended it to me though. yes scheme is excellent what kind of lang iz it? Fufie: What Scheme implementation are you using? a lisp dialect semi finktional then... yes what does it have over lishp? Depends on what lisp your talking about. it has much cleaner semantics * AlonzoTG/#tunes smashes y00 with an Iron Butterfly Scheme appears to be a lot simpler than CL. but is it as elegant? IIRC...The entire specification for Scheme is smaller than the index for Common Lisp: The Language... how far removed from the lambda calculus? well that doesn't tell me much. it's very elegant but how hard would it be t o port to funky archs such as cam extrememly easy hmmzers... learn it al I need some d00dz to help port SHRDLU to my OS... SHRDLU? it is in an older lisp dialect... SHRDLU: AI, I'm trying to develop a GREUI Why would you want Lisp built into the OS? ESMACKS derived apps package. * y00/#Tunes shakes his head. GREUI = Glowing Red Eye User Interface. y00: mbye cause you want a cool OS :P 04:10pm *IX does it for me =P Should I even ask what a Glowing Red Eye User Interface *is*? 2001 Hmm. Just as long as it can play a good game of chess. the hal was programmed to loose 50% of the time... * Tril/#TUNES is back from the dead. Gone 16 hrs 37 min 3 secs Tril! * y00/#Tunes sighs ultima Tril WhY iZ MiCrO$OpHt TuRnInG tHe UnIvErSaL KeYbOaRd InTo An ApPlIcAtIoN SpEcIfIk KaHnTrOlLeR DeViCe. Alonzo: What? I can't quite make that out -- you need a USB keyboard? lol Alonzo: cut it out with the hax0r shit why is microsoft turning the universal keyboard into an application specific controller device? 04:20pm -:- SignOff y00: #TUNES (Ping timeout for y00[user-37kbao7.dialup.mindspring.com]) [openprojects]!lewis.openprojects.net Net break: king.openprojects.net brin.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) [openprojects]!lewis.openprojects.net Net junction: irc.linux.com brin.openprojects.net [openprojects]!lewis.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from brin.openprojects.net. 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Gone 0 hrs 29 min 49 secs -:- y00 [ultima@user-38lc60a.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #Tunes hmm 05:50pm [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed y00 (This nick is reserved by another user) -:- SignOff y00: #TUNES (Killed (NickServ (This nick is reserved by another user))) -:- SignOff fire`: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Have Nice Day :)) -:- yoo [ultima@user-38lc60a.dialup.mindspring.com] has joined #tunes hmm 06:10pm -:- fire` [thrustit@209-68-229-151.dialup.cust.tfb.com] has joined #tunes hey say i did an if in scheme and i wanted to do nothing at the else no code at all is there anything i can do? 06:20pm just put the value you want it to return like t or something what if i don't want the else to return a value at all just return #t? i dont know if you can "not return a value". yeah that's what i thought thankyou [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed misty (This nick is reserved by another user) 06:30pm -:- air [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us813.javanet.com] has joined #tunes wtf wee cmucl is being stupid -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@216-164-129-155.s409.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed Kaflan (This nick is reserved by another user) 06:50pm -:- SignOff yoo: #TUNES (nite) -:- UnDos [SeyTaN@212.252.68.170] has joined #tunes [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed DraX (GHOST command used by DraX_) -:- _ruiner_ [DIY@ppp376.wi.centurytel.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff UnDos: #TUNES (The ReSuRReCTioN of SeyTaN !!) [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed inart (This nick is reserved by another user) This m00vee on the Sci Fi channel is like "My First Movie" By "Ican't Direct" <_ruiner_> sci fi channel sucks anyhow <_ruiner_> the only time I liked it was when they showed those anime movies Cube was really really G00D!!! they are replaying it next... WATCH IT!!! But this movie is Maximum Sux0os. Sux0rs 07:30pm <_ruiner_> alonzo...lets keep it about the tunes project in here ok? <_ruiner_> we could talk about all the recent tunes developments....no wait... =P <_ruiner_> we could ummm....talk about the tunes timetable....errrrr.... <_ruiner_> ummm....y'know, the signal:noise ratio in here would be a lot better if there was actually a signal yes. SIGNAL!!!! Well get working on that tunes Sphere... [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed DraX (GHOST command used by DraX_) I'll have the rest of the os soon... <_ruiner_> tunes is a wounded animal <_ruiner_> or would a better metaphor be a malformed child? *shrug* Well I was willing to help... just nobody gave me a specification to work from... <_ruiner_> probably because there isn't one well there's your beegest problem. =\ 07:40pm [openprojects]!lewis.openprojects.net Net break: irc.linux.com moore.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) [openprojects]!lewis.openprojects.net Net junction: forward.openprojects.net moore.openprojects.net [openprojects]!lewis.openprojects.net Completed net.burst from moore.openprojects.net. [openprojects]!lewis.openprojects.net moore.openprojects.net acknowledged end of net.burst. these dipshits... the first thing you do when the escaped prizonerz (they are always escaped prizonerz) get loose on your ship is run to the bridge and lock down all the preasure doors.... GUESS WHAT THEY NEVER DO!!!! =\ =(((((( <_ruiner_> lol <_ruiner_> they can't do that....that would actually make sense om I HATE ESCAPED PRIZONER IN SPACE MOVIES!!!! <_ruiner_> then don't watch it 08:00pm [openprojects]!lewis.openprojects.net Net break: forward.openprojects.net moore.openprojects.net (Ping timeout) watch the one that is on now! 08:10pm <_ruiner_> I don't wanna! you are missing one of the top ten best movies ever made for TV! =P anyway, Its soo good you can get it at many video stores! =P -:- Kaufmann [Kaufmann@dial708.infolink.com.br] has joined #tunes Blah <_ruiner_> halb 08:20pm -:- SignOff Kaufmann: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Kaufmann[dial708.infolink.com.br]) <_ruiner_> hmmmmmm <_ruiner_> how many of you currently in the channel are at your computers and paying attention to this chat room? blarg ... <_ruiner_> I kinda wonder if there are any projects having to do with this channel that will actually come close to completion 08:30pm [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed DraX (GHOST command used by DraX_) brix <_ruiner_> air! <_ruiner_> and yeah, I kinda figured brix would continue one <_ruiner_> I wanted to ask you something....can you go to osdev? is alonzo there? om didnt i tell u to stay out? lol 08:40pm -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Have Nice Day :)) [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed _drk_ (GHOST command used by drkdth_) [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed doogie (GHOST command used by sir_ahzz) [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed is (This nick is reserved by another user) * Tril/#TUNES is away: (afk) [BX-MsgLog Off] <_ruiner_> anybody remember if there was an article on slashdot about athlons being in smp systems soon? 09:50pm -:- SignOff fire`: #TUNES (Old hackers never die...they just fade away...) -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- lar1 [lar1@2Cust17.tnt20.sfo3.da.uu.net] has joined #tunes Hey 11:00pm [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed fjear (GHOST command used by fjear_) [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed iridium (GHOST command used by iridium__) [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed iridium (GHOST command used by iridium__) -:- hum [andy@pm615-09.dialip.mich.net] has joined #tunes <_ruiner_> greetings you talking to me? <_ruiner_> yes are you brain lagged or somthing? FINE THEN, BE LIKE THAT! -:- hum [andy@pm615-09.dialip.mich.net] has left #tunes [] -:- hum [andy@pm615-09.dialip.mich.net] has joined #tunes hehe i heard that this tunes thing should eventually be able to load a neew kernle without rebooting, am i mistaken? u are mistaken tunes doesnt have a kernel <_ruiner_> tunes doesn't have anything other than a name actually i konw brix can reload a new kernel without rebooting but dosen't it refer to utilities or somthing? what can? brix? well, brix is at http://www.qzx.com/brix can you apt-get that hehe 11:30pm do you loose your uptime when you reloda the kernel wtih brix? and how does that work expain what tunes is to me plz :) if the kernel doesnt change data structures then u woudlnt lose uptime <_ruiner_> tunes is basically a lisp interpreter ohh, hehe <_ruiner_> hyped up hmmm does brix ever fail? no <_ruiner_> would you disagree with that statement about tunes air? could you reload the same kernel just for fun? _ruiner_: no _ruiner_: i don't know, i just now know what tunes is _ruiner_: well maybe, i think fare wants scheme tell me this hum: yes u could does the kernel loose the runing apps when you use brix? dosen't it have to reset the tss and stuff Have i reached MAXQUESTIONQ? yer question doesnt apply to brix yes it does hummm what if you udated from 1.0 to like 2.2.13? the structues are probably different, would it work then? would all the apps be gone? u need to understand brix to ask question about it oh does it just do basically what lilo does, but when it's booted? its not a unix os 11:40pm brix doesnt have apps isn't it a program? it is one large app that u build with methods BRiX is a kick ass os but brix will load a new kernel without rebooting, (brix the app), right I want to get the first thing first hehe yes it will reload a kernel ok now, that is a standalone program, right? just like, for ex, acidwarp i havent figured out howto handle a kernel that changes data tho, being that its a persistent os it can just rerun itself but thta usus library and since it can boot less than a second u wouldnt notice a reboot hold a second, this is for linux, right? the kernel reloader <_ruiner_> no oh hehe that sucks <_ruiner_> for brix brix is not a linux app is there one that can reload a linux ekrnel? a program its a stand alone os [openprojects]Foreign OperKill: NickServ killed doogie (This nick is reserved by another user) yes there is a linux program to reload the kernel, reboot hehe i mean, without reoboting * hum/#tunes wanted a way to load another linux kernel without rebooting :( right <_ruiner_> why? <_ruiner_> its just like half a minute to reboot, max in brix its 1/2 a second well <_ruiner_> yeah, but brix is better you would get no downtime if you could do that with the linu ekrnel <_ruiner_> but of course, brix has next to nothing for supporting apps brix can do a hard reboot that goes thru the bios or a soft reboot that just reboots brix RavenOS of course comes out on top :) <_ruiner_> lol 11:50pm You don't need to ever reboot RavenOS for anything <_ruiner_> air is a smart cookie, you have your work cut out for you if you wanna compete with him Hell, you don't even need to start it up! _ruiner_: brix can have networking and a gui up in 1/2 second air: Well RavenOS takes 0 seconds haha hum: Do you code any x86 asm? <_ruiner_> if you could get a windows emulator working in brix, I'd be there in a second <_ruiner_> I can't give up my games lar1: not past `nop' * hum/#tunes is not aged many years <_ruiner_> the oldest one of us is 25 <_ruiner_> of those of us talking anyhow.... * hum/#tunes has aged VERY little years heh _ruiner_: brix is designed to run games faster and make it easier to write games <_ruiner_> uhhuh Well, in RavenOS I use the new tr registers So it takes no time to load things lar1: you like to make nop asm programs ;) <_ruiner_> until you can get starcraft up and running in brix, I'm sticking with win <_ruiner_> no operation? yes hum: Huh? Nah... I use the tr registers lar1: hehe, NO!, i program strictly wtih "nop" hehe * hum/#tunes can program c though my first goal is to give carmack a 'woody' so he will port the quake engine to brix hum: Ah <_ruiner_> lol air: Thats after you dominate the world, correct? klol <_ruiner_> id is most definately the game company I'd try to get on my side first * hum/#tunes says "absolutely" _ruiner_: and the easiest to get too <_ruiner_> they've demonstrated a willingness to port to other os's, and they're very popular <_ruiner_> how so air? carmack runs the show and knows what is good Well quake III is coming out for RavenOS soon _ruiner_: do u have brood war? It has support for the new 3dfx chipset they are devloping lar1: u dont even know the name of that chipset :) lar1: without reading up in #osdev <_ruiner_> nope air....I wish _ruiner_: damn, i do <_ruiner_> I could probably borrow it from a friend <_ruiner_> it most definately makes the zerg more appealing <_ruiner_> though I still like toss....dark archons are sweet [msg(TUNES)] newlog 1999.1114 IRC log ended Sun Nov 14 00:00:01 1999