IRC log started Wed Oct 20 00:00:00 1999 well, i've got things to work out for arrow [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.1020 as i'm trying to work out the lisp environment code to support arrow, it's been occuring to me that of course all basic lisp features arrow will eventually have to coveer, so it might not help to remove features from the environment, but merely to cripple the parser until a suitable arrow environment exists to support those features <_QZ> uhh ya <_ruiner_> makes sense <_QZ> water: what games do u play? it's just that it seems so cheap to just re-use a whole package of code <_ruiner_> its only short term right? m&m series yeah <_ruiner_> then who cares? <_QZ> m&m series? <_ruiner_> might and magic <_QZ> ah <_ruiner_> correct? heroes thereof as well * _ruiner_/#tunes gives the big thumbs down of course, flight sims <_QZ> i find those to be extremely dumb <_ruiner_> x-wing vs tie fighter? <_QZ> _ruiner_: hahah well, rts bored me after warcraft 1.2 <_ruiner_> the flight sims where you fly a cessna around for half an hour are lame... -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Ping timeout for hcf[me-portland-us146.javanet.com]) <_QZ> rts? real-time strategy <_ruiner_> real time strategy hey! <_ruiner_> hey! <_QZ> warcraft sucks keep it in #osdev <_QZ> starcraft is much better starcraft = warcraft on steroids <_ruiner_> lol, qz and I are the only ones in there <_ruiner_> war2 rules <_QZ> and when u have a riva nothing beats halflife -:- water [water@tnt-9-179.tscnet.net] has left #tunes [] <_ruiner_> what about unreal? <_QZ> like i said nothing beats halflife <_QZ> :) <_ruiner_> bah! <_ruiner_> unreal is just so slick looking <_QZ> what 3d card u got? <_ruiner_> I've got a matrox mystique dude, I don't even know if I can play unreal or hl <_QZ> i play halflife in 1280x1024 <_QZ> at blazing fps 12:10am -:- air [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff _QZ: #TUNES (BRiX [http://www.qzx.com/brix] :: ) ah back in X <_ruiner_> heh heh cya -:- SignOff air: #TUNES (BRiX [http://www.qzx.com/brix] :: sleep) 12:30am -:- smkl [sami@glubimox.yok.utu.fi] has joined #tunes <_ruiner_> wb smkl hello _ruiner_ <_ruiner_> whats up? -:- air [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes nothing really i got something thats gonna kill u guys <_ruiner_> yes? 12:40am -:- air has changed the topic on channel #tunes to: Free Reflective Computing System (http://www.tunes.org/); OS-Developers are invited to #OsDev; Mormon Assulat Vehicle www.qzx.com/mav.jpg -:- air has changed the topic on channel #tunes to: Free Reflective Computing System (http://www.tunes.org/); OS-Developers are invited to #OsDev; Mormon Assault Vehicle www.qzx.com/mav.jpg <_ruiner_> lol <_ruiner_> its good....but not near as good as the H-dawg, herbert kornfeld whats that? <_ruiner_> hold on...I'll go get it <_ruiner_> btw, are you really here every day from 6-12? ya :) <_ruiner_> geez.... usually from 4-2 but 6-12 is being safe <_ruiner_> you never go out drinking with the guys or anything at 8 or anything? oh, im here on irc. that dont mean im here in my chair :) why do you disconnect? modem but i pay $83/mo so i figure i can be on 50% of the time hmm my connection was lost an hour ago and some program went mad and now i have 20000 lines of logs hehe well im gone again -:- SignOff air: #TUNES (BRiX [http://www.qzx.com/brix] :: sleep) 12:50am -:- SignOff _ruiner_: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- SignOff Syntax: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Syntax[01-047.006.popsite.net]) -:- Syntax [dma@01-047.006.popsite.net] has joined #Tunes -:- water [water@tnt-9-179.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes ping 02:00am NOTE TO SELF: the next release of the arrow paper will have to rely on TeX or SGML for complete textual flexibility, since it will most likely amount to a 200-300 page book a PDA will become a must as my work will otherwise be hampered by my job also, the context notion really sucks i must work out the extensions of my ideas on modalities, and see if this constitutes a more valid reformulation ....of the notions addressed by the word "context" hmm... three basic concepts for arrow: an epistemic construct system (which is also homo-iconic), a system of determining meaning via abstract ontologies constructed from epistemic ideas, and the system of modalities which guides the paths of development of ideas within the system 02:10am although perhaps modalities and ontologies are not merely closely related, but instead identical in some way suggested by how the graph of expression construction possibilities is both an ontology via a formal grammar and a specific kind of modality perhaps the paper should be re-organized in terms of addressing these ideas modularly but such a re-organization should still honor the notion of "review" before "introduction" (or should it?) yes, it should do so, since _this_ paper serves as an introduction for the novice to such ideas (and since even the best-case scenario for a novice will only involve familiarity with some of the subjects relied on for base understanding of the topic) of course, some day the system will be able to explain itself to anyone (with their help, of course) in a way true to its form - that is, multiple incoherent views that adapt to contradictory ontologies rather than monotonically sticking with the denoted text END NOTE well, good night out there in cyberland :) 02:20am * water/#tunes thanks the void for the Bespin server. -:- water [water@tnt-9-179.tscnet.net] has left #tunes [] -:- SignOff Syntax: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Syntax[01-047.006.popsite.net]) -:- Syntax [dma@08-201.006.popsite.net] has joined #Tunes -:- yu [user2222@l245ppp244.ksc.net.th] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff yu: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- Zhivago [brian@th.merddin.com.au] has joined #tunes heh, what osdev? :) 07:10am _ruiner_ was there i guess -:- smkl has changed the topic on channel #tunes to: TUNES 07:20am heh :) -:- SignOff Syntax: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Syntax[08-201.006.popsite.net]) -:- Syntax [dma@208.48.101.19] has joined #Tunes 07:30am -:- SignOff Zhivago: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- SignOff smkl: #TUNES (Ping timeout for smkl[glubimox.yok.utu.fi]) -:- smkl [sami@glubimox.yok.utu.fi] has joined #tunes -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@209-122-203-36.s290.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #TUNES -:- Downix [down@d-gnaps-135.ici.net] has joined #tunes hey all 10:40am -:- SignOff Downix: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Downix[d-gnaps-135.ici.net]) -:- Ras_Kass [user1404@209.174.150.144] has joined #tunes hey whats up Hea_Vyy -:- Ras_Kass [user1404@209.174.150.144] has left #tunes [] * AlonzoTG/#TUNES hurls a flaming woodchuck at smkl hey ATG -:- Downix [down@d-gnaps-188.ici.net] has joined #tunes 11:20am -:- water [water@tnt-9-181.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes hey guys hey water 11:30am i think i'm ready to open up arrow dev well, in a day ro two, but i should announce now s/ro/or hey water hey, i've started a new channel #osdev oh? coolers. =) but also commonly the less popular. Most people are sheep, they want stability, not flexibility mine will be infinitely stable and provide a framework for performing the most delicate feats of debugging immaginable. =) ok hmm... time to clean my keyboard again. =\ 11:40am -:- _ruiner_ [nate@ppp185.wi.centurytel.net] has joined #tunes -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us125.javanet.com] has joined #tunes cool, the Squeak team is going to integrate ThingLab with Morphic!!! for those who don't know, Morphic is a direct-manipulation gui for objects, and ThingLab is a highly-flexible systems-simulation framework water: did u remove sfs from abi? abi sfs? wish i knew, water what's sfs? secure fs or whatever -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Read error to AlonzoTG[209-122-203-36.s290.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com]: No route to host) thats proj @ mit no, i didn't remove it -:- Kaufmann [Kaufmann@dial147.infolink.com.br] has joined #tunes hey kauf 12:30pm i fixed it * hcf/#tunes is away: (afk) -:- Fare [fare@d026.paris-121.cybercable.fr] has joined #Tunes hum Yablutsk! gakuk Fare: OS coders' home is now #osdev Omigod omigod omigod. http://www.eternalwarriors.com/ lol rofl Each of THE WAR IN HEAVEN's twelve levels incorporates a distinct Biblical lesson relating to the consequences of following the Divine path of Obedience or the Fallen path of Knowledge. Important spiritual truths such as Fear Of The Lord and Righteousness are revealed in between furious battles with the angels of the opposing side. wow, amazing, total fiction, but amazing ah * Downix/#tunes isn't of a judeo-christianic faith, so what does that all mean to him, utterly nothing -:- SignOff Kaufmann: #TUNES (Read error to Kaufmann[dial147.infolink.com.br]: Connection reset by peer) 12:40pm -:- SignOff eihrul: #TUNES (Ping timeout for eihrul[usr5-ppp43.lvdi.net]) -:- eihrul [eihrul@usr5-ppp43.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff Downix: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Downix[d-gnaps-188.ici.net]) well, arrow should be open-source in a few days, with a .plan what kind of relationship to tunes should it have? 12:50pm we're going to take a basic lisp and change up the smalltalk source code to support the "arrows and graphs" version of "cons cells, atoms, and environments" Fare: there? -:- Downix [down@d-gnaps-139.ici.net] has joined #tunes it allows us to use a hll (smalltalk) to code in while not having to worry about the implicit limitations of meta-level interpretation -:- Kaufmann [Kaufmann@dial625.infolink.com.br] has joined #tunes *ahem* > well, arrow should be open-source in a few days, with a .plan SHIT FUCK SHIT FUCK SHIT FUCK SHIT FUCK SHIT FUCK SHIT *ahem* > what kind of relationship to tunes should it have? Sorry about that. I just get really pissed off when I get disconnected Listen to this... still on the game thing Designed and produced by two professional game developers who openly acknowledge Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, The War In Heaven was created to provide an exciting alternative to the spiritually dark and blood-drenched games that are so popular today among teenage and adult gamers. kauf: not here Sorry how's alisp going? well, I think... I've been doing some sketchwork on the object system, inspired by some concepts from Self <_ruiner_> that sounds like a lame game ruiner: it's a joke web site I know some idiots who'd try such a game water, it's not a joke... unfortunately it's an actual game kauf: sounds good oh <_ruiner_> sounds lame ass I should make a game on the total opposite end of the spectrum kauf: i can help you work out the details or problems, etc and it's biased too... if you play for the Fallen (i.e., think for yourself insead of obeying God), you are literally doomed to lose you're an innocent druid who is being hunted by christian zealots AHEM 01:00pm water, thanks, but I've not gotten to that level of detail yet :) KAuf: looked at the CLOS MOP, right? no evil exists but where men place it water, yeah, I have _Art of the MOP_ as a reference k well, is there anything i can help with? could you at least tell me more? * Kaufmann/#tunes is thinking about creating a text-adventure game, pulp 50's fiction-style... _The Attack of the Zombie Baptists!_ I like it Kaufmann water, well, most of my work so far has been designing the interpreter model... my goal is to keep it as simple as possible (for programmers to access the internal objects through the MOP) while at the same time keeping the resulting objects efficiently compilable. k -:- SignOff water: #TUNES (Leaving) And of course, complete and absolute modularity, at least from the inter-object interface point of view -:- water [water@tnt-9-181.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes wb And of course, complete and absolute modularity, at least from the inter-object interface point of view sorry, pressed the wrong button (rp) LOL, that happens to you too? :) right. thx One would expect a computer scientist to know better :) 01:10pm in the usual gui's yes hmm. describe the interpreter, then whoa. encyc. britannica is on-line free? <_ruiner_> yep <_ruiner_> thats been news for a good 28 hours now water...get on the ball now, if only they'd open-source it :) Well, I'm thinking of the interactive interpreting process as an interaction between these objects: USER, which encapsulates user data; INTERFACE, which, obviously enough, represents the interface between the USER and the PARSER, and encapsulates I/O functionality; PARSER, which turns code in SEXP or whatever other syntax into a raw PARSE_TREE; COMPILER, which compiles PARSE_TREES into BYTECODE_OBJECTS; and the SYMBOL_TABLE, which is accessed by t k Kaufmann: truncated at 'accessed by t' hcf: where would arrow fit in the tunes site? (cont'd) Of course, this is only an overview, and of course there'll be plurality: USERs (multiuser support), PARSERs and COMPILERs (symultaneous processing of various code), SYMBOL_TABLEs (package system) "which is accessed by the COMPILER. (cont'd)" hmm ok. interesting hcf: i'm going to open up arrow dev and outline coding goals And of course, I'm only using ALL_CAPS as a pointless convention :) and your object system will resemble self's? 01:20pm -:- SignOff Fare: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Fare[d026.paris-121.cybercable.fr]) -:- SignOff Kaufmann: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Kaufmann[dial625.infolink.com.br]) hcf: there? -:- Downix_ [down@d-gnaps-139.ici.net] has joined #tunes heh yes -:- SignOff Downix: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Downix[d-gnaps-139.ici.net]) do you have any suggestions for how arrow should relate to tunes? not atm k i'm open to suggestions -:- Downix_ is now known as Downix -:- SignOff _ruiner_: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- Fare [fare@d026.paris-121.cybercable.fr] has joined #Tunes -:- Kaufmann [Kaufmann@dial727.infolink.com.br] has joined #tunes Hrrm... adams has booted me 01:30pm rp: and your object system will resemble self's? water, how much of my recent messages have you gotten? The object system is built into the COMPILER, and modifiable through the methods that make up the COMPILER MOP. That said, it'll be completely customizeable, so that its behavior can range from a C++ feel (although I can't fathom why anyone would want that (except a C++ programmer)) to Perl-like ad-hoc feel. But the principles behind it will be inspired on Self's inspired {on|by} ah BTW, the ALL-CAPS are still being used only as dumb convention... i.e. I'm not shouting np Hmm... http://www.cs.princeton.edu/zephyr/ASDL/ so, data-inheritance will be dynamic and behavior-based? asdl: interesting... but it doesn't seem that special yep... and individual objects will be able to dynamically acquire new slots or remove existing ones, as well as keep track of the ones they used to have hmm... "keep track of the ones they use to have" objects via streams? When objects "lose" slots, they're allowed to "remember" that these slots used to exist, so when other objects try to access them, they can respond by saying the equivalent of "hey, this protocol doesn't exist anymore, but you can do the same thing by using this other protocol, see?" Is it weird that I like to personify my objects? 01:40pm it sounds like that tunes example Which one? the cd database one on the site the problem with that is that you'd need an object history to track the various protocols a given object has had Not an object history, only an interface history well, sure you'd still have to retain old interfaces they wouldn't be entirely gc'able actually, that doesn't sound _too_ bad And only those that the modifying objects want to retain; besides, they won't actually be /supported/ anymore; when the method dispatcher gets a call to a deprecated protocol, all it does is look it up in the history and in the symbol table and return the appropriate message as the method's return value. And these kinds of error returns are built into the language (similar to the Maybe constructor in Haskell), so that the ugly exception-handling i ... But the default behavior of alisp is purely functional hm care to finish that long paragraph? 01:50pm where did it get cut off? "so that the ugly exception-handling i" "is minimized" in haskell you can have simple exception monad using maybe well, sounds pretty good just for the record, i'm not sold, but you should have counted on that smkl, in much the same way that Haskell accounts for nondeterminism through Maybe, alisp will account for errors (including the special case of getting #void (Nothing) as a return value, which is what Maybe does in Haskell). By the way, I finally understood monads Okay, I'm out now... perhaps BBL. Peace! -:- SignOff Kaufmann: #TUNES (rnedal@olimpo.com.br ... catch me if you can. "Jesus would make a good main character for a Seinfeld spinoff" - Amber) 02:00pm -:- SignOff water: #TUNES (Ping timeout for water[tnt-9-181.tscnet.net]) -:- water [water@tnt-9-181.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes -:- f [f.maestr@194.51.37.129] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff water: #TUNES (Ping timeout for water[tnt-9-181.tscnet.net]) -:- f [f.maestr@194.51.37.129] has left #tunes [] -:- water [water@tnt-10-249.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes abi: seen core core was last seen on IRC 21 days, 23 hours, 5 minutes and 24 seconds ago, saying: what's up? did you write more of EMK? [Tue Sep 28 15:20:31 1999] * eihrul/#tunes sighs. did he die or something? email him 02:30pm * Fare3053/#Tunes is back -:- Fare3053 is now known as FareWell hey fare when i open up the arrow development, where should it fit in with tunes and its site? water: know the oxygen url? not offhand water: if you want, we can create arrow.tunes.org... hmm or just tunes.org/arrow/ as you like it sort of like a tunes product? well, sort of second level domain names not being free, whereas ones under tunes.org being free if you register your domain, be welcome on bespin, too ok, thanks (arrow.dhs.org) that could work 02:40pm although if you don't think having a name related to tunes hurts, then arrow.tunes.org is good, isn't it? I've already made apkei.tunes.org for a friend... yes, relating to tunes would be good i noticed dmoz has a tunes and other links what was apkei for? All Purpose Knowledge Encoding Initiative some kind of universal database... hm well, so far the plan for arrow is to modify this lisp environment until it supports the lisp stuff via arrow until then, the environment could be crippled via the parser hmm the problem is that environments need to be reified (as arrow frames / graphs) 02:50pm yup which means the changes to the environment source code will be significant which is why i chose smalltalk to make that simpler than it would be (for me) in lisp i read the arrow intro last night... it's going to take quite a while to complete... it'll be the equivalent of a book i am considering using sgml-tools instead of latex how that "simpler" ? how is what simpler? sgml? water: if you have no math formula or figures, then sgml-tools is good oh but if you do, then, well, ... i didn't know that (although the new DocBook feature, if finally supported, is said to be quite good...) hmm (but I don't know how it manages figures and math, if at all) there's a latex2sgml, isn't there? 03:00pm dunno; never heard about that darn it, i wish i knew a linux guru (in person) there's a latex2html yeah, but it sucks yeah I know There's also hevea what's that? a latex->html written in OCAML ah hmm... i'm still overloaded i hope opening up arrow dev will attract people to help unfortunately only a few on the tunes mlist are smalltalk coders how is smalltalk "simpler" than lisp? hmm... how to express it.... oh yeah! smalltalk is more intuitive than lisp because it has a graphical development environment, even direct-manipulation style browsing and debugging why does that make it more intuitive? and parsing the code is much simpler for a person defining simpler with simpler :) eihrul: ever used a direct-manipulation programming interface? 03:10pm * eihrul/#tunes shakes. can't say i have and oh yeah, "graphical dev sys" is NOT like c++ or emacs or any of that other crap gcc is graphical? heh hrmm, so that's what that g in gnu is for... rhide i use vi the visual editor eek yeah, you can *see* what you edit visually ;) well, its an improvement over ed oh yeah, it's slightly better than using the original altair but still better than emacs that's real ease-of-use lol sorry, even emacs has pretty-printing and macros galore that was not what i was referring to oh yeah, simplicity that and starting up emacs takes 10 or so seconds heh i have a habit of opening up 30 or so editors when working on code me too eihrul well, if you've got a smalltalk environment, you can open a Workspace object (read text-editor) * eihrul/#tunes nods. Squeak is what emacs should have been and there's the code browser and explorer (multi-browser) hopefully, Golgi will be done soon golgi? it's supposed to be an emacs killer, squeak style i.e. supporting multiple syntaxes, etc ah, nice well, it's only a good tree-based editor for now 03:20pm -:- SignOff eihrul: #TUNES (Ping timeout for eihrul[usr5-ppp43.lvdi.net]) water: actually, lisp has graphical development and co, but it's heavily proprietary -:- eihrul [eihrul@usr5-ppp13.lvdi.net] has joined #tunes (and has long been smalltalk) s/has/so has/ yeah, smalltalk beat lisp because it's associated with the original (sort of) gui which made open-sourcing it more desirable for apple and disney 03:30pm maybe. it's political -:- SignOff Syntax: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Syntax[208.48.101.19]) I've heard that the LISP GUIs were much more sophisticated, which also made their open-source re-write much more complex. gui's written in lisp hard to re-write? huh? let alone their reliance on non-standard system-dependencies. water: they depended heavily on the integration with the underlying LISP OS. water: or in the case of MCL, on the underlying MacOS yeah, smalltalk from the start has had a satisfying core standard that lisp really haasn't had there is a "standard" for LISP UIs: CLIM; but it's very elaborate, and has got no free implementation; cheapest is a few thousands of dollars... exactly, because they made the standard *after* lisp diverged yup it's the price of not forcing compatibility which brings us back to why we're making tunes (or trying) :) "so that nothing bad can ever happen to lisp" :) 03:40pm -:- water [water@tnt-10-249.tscnet.net] has left #tunes [] -:- Fare [fare@d026.paris-121.cybercable.fr] has left #Tunes [] -:- FareWell is now known as Fare -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us703.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- Bob [user9300@CHKLAB05.smsu.edu] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff Bob: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- air [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- _ruiner_ [nate@ppp190.wi.centurytel.net] has joined #tunes -:- water [water@tnt-10-113.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes -:- Syntax [dma@06-070.006.popsite.net] has joined #Tunes hey syntax -:- SignOff _ruiner_: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- PhaatDog [PhaatDog@test2056.wh.uni-stuttgart.de] has joined #tunes hmm. a phat dog -:- PhaatDog [PhaatDog@test2056.wh.uni-stuttgart.de] has left #tunes [] n/m then 05:50pm NOTE TO SELF: The Microsoft Way "Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats." --Howard Aiken darn it, i forgot to delete that M$ thing oh well so you're basically saying you need microsoft to steal arrow? lol no, i'm saying that it means i'm on the right ttrack if no one understands me on the first listen you _do_ know who Aiken was, right? no eek * water/#tunes slugs eihrul with an ENIAC. if that was supposed to be an inferrence to computing history it was there aren't exactly any good resources on it that i've found :) umm. no hold on, i'll find a url * Downix/#tunes gets out the UNIVAC's, let's see your single ENIAC vs my UNIVACs! -:- Kaufmann [Kaufmann@dial150.infolink.com.br] has joined #tunes lol wb kauf' thankee Any talk going on? -:- _ruiner_ [nate@ppp190.wi.centurytel.net] has joined #tunes eihrul: http://www-groups.dcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Aiken.html oops, his computers were the Marks I, II, and II III i sometimes confuse that 07:00pm well, i read it anyway kauf: not really how fun :) anyone know / can find out the size of the tunes mailing list? side == nr. of addresses? yep s/side/size/; Well, I really have no idea hmm, tril could find out and i _do_ have an account on bespin, though i doubt my rights amount to much -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us109.javanet.com] has joined #tunes hey hcf hmm hey kauf hcf: could you find out how many addresses receive tunes mlist? 1sec Hmm... some guy in the general programming newsgroup working in Pascal, has a flat-file database, wants to know how to query for only one record and delete it... water: bespin /var/lib/majordomo/lists]$ cat tunes | wc -l, 101 uhh 07:10pm ok so, 101? Took me about two seconds to write the functionality in Perl smalltalk isn't much different water: 103, i forgot tunes-all but the db would have to be native to smalltalk or have an interface already defined hcf: thanks, that's a good statistic that i can use who's douglas+list@fang.demon.co.uk? hell if i know tie %HASH, 'NDBM_File', $filename; delete %HASH, $key; untie %HASH; he's on tunes-all, never seen a post from him <_ruiner_> you and your smalltalk lol Fare and his Lisp :) me and my perls sorry actually, i like lisp too, but it's support is terrible couldn't come up with anything better -:- SignOff Downix: #TUNES ([BX] Ping-pong timeout) Sorry guys, I'm gonna hit the sack now <_ruiner_> me and my .....ummmmm.....wait a minute... <_ruiner_> night kaufmann -:- SignOff Kaufmann: #TUNES (*YAWN* "Jesus would make a good main character for a Seinfeld spinoff" - Amber) -:- SignOff _ruiner_: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- _ruiner_ [nate@ppp190.wi.centurytel.net] has joined #tunes huh? <_ruiner_> what did it say my quit message was? 07:20pm _ruiner_: Leaving hcf: yes, it's strange that that fellow is on tunes-all <_ruiner_> hmmmmm.... -:- SignOff _ruiner_: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- _ruiner_ [nate@ppp190.wi.centurytel.net] has joined #tunes <_ruiner_> I really dislike mirc ruiner: XiRCON <_ruiner_> I'm assuming that it was different this time when I left... wrong <_ruiner_> eh? it still said "*** Quit: _ruiner_ (Leaving)" well, bbl -:- SignOff water: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- SignOff _ruiner_: #TUNES (Leaving) 07:30pm -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- beholder [beholder@ppp-046.m2-1.sub.ican.net] has joined #tunes -:- Tril [dem@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #TUNES -:- mode/#tunes [+o Tril] by ChanServ Hey tril -:- MennoNun [jerodd@c11d215.neo.rr.com] has joined #tunes * MennoNun/#tunes wonders what TUNES is 08:20pm abi Tunes? Tunes is, like, http://www.tunes.org, a free reflective computing system or for programming languages what the internet is to networks or like flypaper for hallucinogenic programmers or discombobulated or obnubilated thanks ;) -:- MennoNun [jerodd@c11d215.neo.rr.com] has left #tunes [] Abi is our Info bot :) sorry I have to leave ..gotta watch voyager * Tril/#TUNES is away: (afk) [BX-MsgLog Off] Okey :) 08:30pm Too much of the 90's 5. You e-mail your son in his room to tell him that dinner is ready, and he e-mails you back "What's for dinner?" Hehe 13. You pull up in your own driveway and use your cell phone to see if anyone is home. 15. You buy a computer and a week later it is out of date and now sells for half the price you paid. 17. Cleaning up the dining area means getting the fast food bags out of the back seat of your car. How goes Brix? well it has a damn bug in it and im tired of debugging