IRC log started Mon Jul 12 00:00:01 1999 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0712 !lackey.openprojects.net!! Received :sterling.openprojects.net SERVER hogan.openprojects.net from sterling.openprojects.net !?! -:- SignOff _QZ: #TUNES (BRiX [http://www.qzx.com/brix] :: sleep) !HyrlikW:*! Ding Dong is 1AM PST !HyrlikW:*! okay fine... correction: 1AM PST 2AM MST 3AM CST 4AM EST HAPPPY!??!?!? !spice_huh:*! who cares ? -:- water [water@ppp-tnt-173.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes -:- water [water@ppp-tnt-173.tscnet.net] has left #tunes [] -:- water [water@ppp-tnt-173.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff water: #TUNES (The Tao has left the building!) -:- binEng [Anders@195.84.234.31] has joined #tunes -:- Oddity [d96-abo@brown01.nada.kth.se] has joined #tunes * binEng/#tunes greets Oddity Hello... The others seem a little sleepy ;) Oh. But Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:27:16 +0200 comes from a recent mail from Fare. :) k. He's French, so it's not that strange * binEng/#tunes notices there is only him, Oddity and Fare in here 05:40am Hum. you want to speak swede? Rather Swedish than French :-> Oddity: what message was that that you want to discuss? Fare: Err, I only pointed out that you apparently were awake. :) I haven't read the message yet (except for the first pragraph). what mailing-list is that? don't play innocent :) 06:00am Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:27:16 +0200 From: Francois-Rene Rideau To: Pekka P. Pirinen Cc: cybernethics@tunes.org Subject: Re: the future of LispWorks oh, this one -:- water [water@ppp-tnt-113.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes 06:10am just dropping by ok. the moderated channel seems to work fine, although the 'voice' list is incomplete if anyone wants to be added, just have them talk to me or send me an email i'll be back in about 8-12 hours, depending on my schedule -:- water [water@ppp-tnt-113.tscnet.net] has left #tunes [] Moderated? s/moderated/empty/ :> 06:20am -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@216-164-233-206.s587.tnt8.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff binEng: #TUNES ( ) -:- Beholder [chaldea@ppp-046.m4-1.osh.ican.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff Beholder: #TUNES (Read error to Beholder[ppp-046.m4-1.osh.ican.net]: Connection reset by peer) -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Have Nice Day :)) -:- s_r [sr@phila-dialup241.nni.com] has joined #tunes -:- smkl [sami@MCCXCIII.rdyn.saunalahti.fi] has joined #tunes -:- Kaufmann [Kaufmann@200.224.105.166] has joined #Tunes G'day, all tunes? tunes is http://www.tunes.org, a free reflective computing system or for programming languages what the internet is to networks or like flypaper for hallucinogenic programmers or discombobulated Anyone in speak-mode? ho mate, how goes it, captain? "captain"...? pirates... sir kaufmann was a pirate of the 1700s Didn't know that. Hmm. They had Jewish pirates? Kewl. We're desert people. 09:10am -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us903.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@216-164-238-144.s398.tnt9.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes hoy atg om oh hmm 09:50am I'll be right back. -:- SignOff Kaufmann: #TUNES ("Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind." - Albert Einstein. For more information regarding the good and evil of nationalism, contact Fare at OpenProjectsNet #Tunes. (Heh.)) 10:10am alonzo what are you working on? I should be doing m yenglish home work but I cant seem to git goin... =\ umm isn't school over for you? what kind of homework it is? an essay or something? 10:20am -:- Kaufmann [Kaufmann@200.224.105.227] has joined #Tunes -:- SignOff Fare: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Fare[quatramaran.ens.fr]) -:- ruiner [blah@ppp260.wi.centuryinter.net] has joined #tunes anybody here? * hcf/#tunes iz 10:40am hi bonjour, ruiner whats going on? not much ah.... ruiner: what do you think of BeOS? from what little I've seen of it its pretty slick very fast, versatile, powerful why do you ask? i wonder how they make it so fast do you know? s_r: no cruft no bloat but there isn't bloat in OSes like Linux, so how is BeOS many times faster than Linux? s_r: there isn't bloat in OSes like Linux? You wish. s_r: X itself is not exactly the leanest piece of code in the history of mankind. yeah....xwindows is pretty flabby in the belly the more I learn of linux the less impressed I am by it me too like what exactly makes lInux bloated? well...like kaufmann said..xwindows isn't the most efficient bit of code 10:50am there are inefficiencies all over...depending on what you're using do you know of a good GUI ftp client for X? There's one that comes with GNOME, methinks. -:- s_r [sr@phila-dialup241.nni.com] has left #tunes [] 11:00am hmmm.... anybody know much about porting programming languages to different os's? -:- Beholder [chaldea@ppp-046.m4-1.osh.ican.net] has joined #tunes hi beholder ruiner, not much Hey all hoy beh hi Beh So what's the discussion today? I was asking if anybody knew much about porting programming languages Beh: "today" be too vague porting them to other architectures? Kaufmann: http://www.perlfoo.org -:- Fare [rideau@quatramaran.ens.fr] has joined #Tunes porting a programming language depends on their target language seen C--? not really seen, but heard about it Fare: what is it? hey fare hcf: thankee! to a different operating system ruin: Depends on the lang I guess, what do you wish to port? any links for C--? c--? probably C...I'd want to get an assembler first...which doesn't seem all that difficult though abi doesn't have any I guess abi: c--? i don't know, kaufmann ruiner: What OS are you porting C to ? 11:10am hmmmmm.....what does that matter? ruiner: search microsoft.com fare? fare are you here? good maybe you want to reply to what I said earlier? * Kaufmann/#Tunes pokes Fare hum http://research.microsoft.com/Users/simonpj/ what did you say earlier? ouch, simonpj is at msr? of course, microsoft is assimilating Haskell Fare, what is C--? Kaufmann: see the microsoft link i gave smkl: thankee its been assimilated? forget it...lost cause its too hard to get the implants out of the flesh abi: microsoft? hmmm... microsoft is definitely on the dark side of the source! smkl? Well, I'm leaving hmmm...abi doesn't know you later kaufmann... -:- SignOff Kaufmann: #TUNES ("Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind." - Albert Einstein. For more information regarding the good and evil of nationalism, contact Fare at OpenProjectsNet #Tunes. (Heh.)) -:- tmf [s720@tordivel.ii.uib.no] has joined #tunes 11:20am fare, are you there? no is it ok if I just talk to your script then? yes great I wonder what you think of the "BASIC" example I wrote earlier this week. That about showing that basic, even though t-complete, cannot do certain things Is "groupable" something that people have taken into consideration before? ( by groupable, I mean the potential to put things inside the same abstraction ) I'm not sure what you mean by "groupable" maybe it could be expressed in terms of language transformations that would be a nice topic for a research paper in formal semantics tmf: where will you be going next year? you message was quite good s/you/your/ yes, mabe the point was that: basic can express parrallell execution, but a program(which is the abstraction) could not _both_ impement it _and_ use it. tmf: shouldn't I swap "implement" and "express" in the above sentence? don't know yet. Mabe I'll start a career at McDonalds - a McJob. ( actually no joke !) 11:30am swap them if you please. I use the words implement, define, express, ... to mean the same thing, I guess Is this the same kind of "turing complete does not imply complete" that you noticed some time ago? not I tmf: yup tmf: was t-complete and universal ok, so "universal" is what Godel calls "complete" in his incompleteness theorem? 11:40am not exactly what's the difference? the difference is probably not mainly technical, but mainly political. is that right? sorry, 61453 11:50am -:- SignOff tmf: #TUNES (Ping timeout for tmf[tordivel.ii.uib.no]) -:- tmf [s720@tordivel.ii.uib.no] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff ruiner: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- SignOff Beholder: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Beholder[ppp-046.m4-1.osh.ican.net]) -:- Beholder [chaldea@ppp-009.m4-1.osh.ican.net] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff Beholder: #TUNES (Read error to Beholder[ppp-009.m4-1.osh.ican.net]: Connection reset by peer) -:- SignOff tmf: #TUNES (Ping timeout for tmf[tordivel.ii.uib.no]) -:- tmf [s720@tordivel.ii.uib.no] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us903.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (Have Nice Day :)) -:- binEng [Anders@195.84.234.31] has joined #tunes hoy binEng hello hello, binEng -:- AlonzoTG [Alonzo@216-164-241-239.s239.tnt10.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com] has joined #tunes 01:30pm -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Ping timeout for hcf[me-portland-us903.javanet.com]) -:- hcf_ [nef@me-portland-us825.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- hcf_ is now known as hcf -:- SignOff tmf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- s_r [sr@phila-dialup599.nni.com] has joined #tunes -:- ruiner [blah@ppp260.wi.centuryinter.net] has joined #tunes ruiner do you know how X works? hmmmm...not really 01:50pm when programs accept input, like user input from the keyboard, how do they usually store it? do they make one large buffer and put it in there or dynamically allocate memory somehow? depends.... java deals with stuff in buffered streams c/c++ tends to treat strings as arrays of characters that depends on linux .. X uses sockets from communication with apps s/from/for so there are only two ways of storing memory (memory initialized in bss or .data) and Malloc()ed memory? break() or something is more general function for memory allocation in unix hmm brk/sbrk and malloc() uses sbrk yes ... like let's say "ls" it gets teh dir listing and stores it in a buffer right? probably nm * s_r/#tunes has to read the source 02:00pm it would be possible to make ls that just prints then in the order it gets them from readdir() but then it couldn't sort or format the listing s/then/them -:- SignOff ruiner: #TUNES (Ping timeout for ruiner[ppp260.wi.centuryinter.net]) 02:10pm -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us825.javanet.com] has left #tunes [] -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us825.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- binEng_ [Anders@195.84.234.31] has joined #tunes -:- SignOff binEng: #TUNES (Ping timeout for binEng[195.84.234.31]) -:- binEng_ is now known as binEng -:- _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes hoy _QZ QZ can i ask you some questions about X? <_QZ> hello abi: be s_r qz is brix out yet? is it? come on! i need it NOW <_QZ> hahahah heh abi: be hcf abi: be QZ -:- binEng [Anders@195.84.234.31] has left #tunes [] abi: be S_R qz is brix out yet? is it? come on! i need it NOW abi: be water you know i'm not going to accept that abi: be water you don't realize how much you're de-sensitized to the infrastructure <_QZ> X is the letter before Y and after W, thats about all i know about X 03:00pm X? X is run as root but gnome and enlightenment should be run as me <_QZ> ack APM is disabled if u use smp in linux qz: have you tried BeOS with SMP? <_QZ> yes i know someone who ran BeOS on 8 Pentium Pros did you try running a whole bunch of apps at once with smp on BeOS? <_QZ> beos wont boot for some reason at 550 smp but will boot at 460 smp and below how many things could you run at once with smp on BeOS? <_QZ> i can run as many thins as i want <_QZ> its a matter of how fast do i want each app to be what's Dynamic Recompilation Core? <_QZ> i had flight, chart(max settings), gl teapot, 2 bebounce windows, an mpeg and i cant remember what the names of the other apps were but they were all at ok speeds s_r: What do you want to know about X? s_r: DRC? In context? BeOS? No... <_QZ> brix has something that could be called DRC <_QZ> like how the kernel can be recompiled in place <_QZ> as long as no data structures change why do you keep referring to BriX in the present tense? 03:10pm <_QZ> dunno Tunes-Theme.mp3 _QZ: there must be a real reason ;) <_QZ> hcf: heh -:- Kaufmann [Kaufmann@200.224.105.147] has joined #tunes -:- Beholder [beholder@ppp-043.m4-1.osh.ican.net] has joined #tunes Anyone care to give me a "fast and painful" intro to Scheme? (I ask because I just installed DrScheme) I have ten minutes to do so. <_QZ> Kaufmann: it sucks, delete it. is that fast and painful enough? :) Oddity: okie. So how does one set a variable to an integer value (e.g., "$x = 11;" in Perl)? <_QZ> one doesnt Scheme works like this. If you type something on tha prompt wich is a list, the first item is the operator and the rest are the oprands. I've tried (set! x 11), but that doesn't work, prolly for a very good reason but two does Oddity: I know lol hcf You can (define x 17) and then (set! x 4711) oic... so I have to manually initialize variable bindings. <_QZ> what is the point of all the parens? QZ: Simple syntax, enable reflection. 03:20pm Okie, and how do you define a function object? (define increase (lambda (n) (+ n 1))) Or with syntactic sugar: (define (increase n) (+ n 1)) So what I'm doing is associating a binding name to a lambda-expression? You can also do: ((lambda (n) (+ n 1)) 17) Exactly! in which case the function returns 17? No, 18! Ehm, gotta go. Come back tomorrow. :) * Oddity/#tunes is gone oh, of course... I thought you meant "you can do (define increase ((lambda (n) (+ n 1)) 17)) " And can you give me a pretty-print function? Kaufmann: pretty-print for what? lambda? <_QZ> how do i do a hello world program? (print "Hello World!") smkl: just a generic function for printing something to the effect of "X is worth " X " and Y is worth " Y "." err 03:30pm <_QZ> i still think the parens are stupid, just like C's stupid semicolon -:- SignOff AlonzoTG: #TUNES (off to efnet) (write "Hello World!") write? okie <_QZ> and what about kaufmans print question? Uh, wait. write only takes one big string. So I need to manually concatenate it. <_QZ> and how would u do that? QZ: it's what I'm asking <_QZ> so am i :) qz do you do any programming now that you've quit working on BriX? <_QZ> s_r: nope * Kaufmann/#tunes pokes smkl umm computers aren't good for anything smkl: concatenate doesn't work s_r: really? after you create an OS, what else is there? nothing <_QZ> s_r: an os is never complete hmm Looking at windows 2000, that looks great... many times better than BeOS and Linux smkl? s_r: no kiddin' i think microsoft has finally done something right. <_QZ> s_r: hahahaha beos doesn't stand a chance next to windows 2k <_QZ> s_r: s/better/BIGGER/ you're a funny guy qz what do you think of windows 2000? * Kaufmann/#tunes pokes smkl once again string-append don't you have a scheme manual? smkl: nein RTFM rtfm> <_QZ> s_r: its a bloated pig that M$ cant make work rtfm? s_r: I'm a poor fucker you can spray perfume on a pig but it still will be a dirty pig Kaufmann: try to get one smkl: easier said than done rtfm? rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual smkl: what's the syntax for string-append? qz we need an OS that is as revolutionary as Tunes but exists; as fast as BeOS but open source and multiuser; as open source as Linux but with more support from developers and more revolutionary just `(string-append "lots" "of" "strings")` ? (string-append STRING ...) 03:40pm <_QZ> what about the output format of an integer? <_QZ> print("%d%o",x,x); It also doesn't handle type conversion automatically. how do I convert an integer to string? <_QZ> s_r: well brix is not as open source as linux <_QZ> s_r: i control all distribution rights qz that's ok, your method of open source is all right QZ: that's an evil thing to do. It's harmful to society. <_QZ> i dont feel that others should cash in on my work number->string smkl: begger pardon? hehe you'll go to stores and see "BRiX server 1.0 (c) microsoft" for $399 <_QZ> no u'll goto stores and see BRiX (c) Me for $19.99 "number->string" is the conversion function C++ (Score:-1, Flamebait) by Kaufmann But why would I want to program in C++? It's bloody suicide. "And Scheme shall inherit the Earth..." MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! IT'S ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! smkl: yep smkl: humour smkl: "And Scheme shall inherit the Earth..." << not my brainchild QZ i think i'm going to write an OS and call it BrIX using your ideas smkl: I'd give you the URL of the original, but I don't remember it. <_QZ> s_r: u cant cuz u would never be able to catch up to me qz your project is dead, i could easily surpass it because it's frozen <_QZ> :) why do i feel that in a year or so i'll be seeing a lot of BRiX? :P <_QZ> brix? brix is NOT cancelled and source was never rm'd. brix info = http://www.qzx.com/brix 03:50pm are you going to make BRiX partly in Forth? abi: brix? brix is NOT cancelled and source was never rm'd. brix info = http://www.s_r.com/brix hahaa <_QZ> brix has its own language that resembles forth <_QZ> but the language also resembles many other languages <_QZ> it uses syntax filters <_QZ> but forth is the core language How do I test whether n is bigger than p (both being integers)? <_QZ> (is n bigger than p?) very funny <_QZ> if its in parens its gotta be right :) should (> n p) work? 04:00pm -:- Tril [dem@bespin.dhs.org] has joined #TUNES -:- mode/#Tunes [+o Tril] by ChanServ hi tril hi que tal, Tril Tril: what was that #tunes_test thing for? <_QZ> Tril: water would like it if u setup a news server and a mailing list to newsgroup gateway on bespin * hcf/#tunes suggested that a while ago <_QZ> s/u/u would/ <_QZ> Tril: and hcf would also like it :) Tril: how do you test for numerical equality or inequality (more-than, less-than, etc.) in Scheme? _QZ: i didnt say i would like it, i just suggested it <_QZ> for anyone that cares the events and thread functions in brix are 100% complete and the semaphore funcs will be finished tonight Gotta be going. -:- SignOff Kaufmann: #TUNES ("Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind." - Albert Einstein. For more information regarding the good and evil of nationalism, contact Fare at OpenProjectsNet #Tunes. (Heh.)) <_QZ> object and driver-only funcs are 50% _QZ: so just nine more years to go ;) 04:20pm <_QZ> hah <_QZ> i need something that will limit bandwidth thru my modem News setup: well I might mess with news soon then Tril: could u script the #tunes logger to sit in and log #modtunes? 04:30pm hcf: did water ask that? Did you find any better solutions like a program designed specifically for logging IRC? eggdrop does logging doesn't it? >>> hcf [nef@me-portland-us825.javanet.com] requested VERSION from TUNES dont know, maybe Tril: i thot u didnt want an eggdrop I'm new to bots, egg and info are the only ones I know, that's why I mentioned it ;) Beholder: 99% of all (all iv seen, iv seen a lot) bots are egg or info <_QZ> hcf: was it u that suggested i add dates to each menu item on the main brix page? _QZ: make consistent ur last mod lines _QZ: as in, dont just do some do all or nothing <_QZ> what? my friend made some "nasty" bots, they were pretty cool, but wholy immature :) _QZ: on the menu @ http://www.qzx.com/brix/, i see 6 items, 2 w/ last mod lines <_QZ> gee u want me to goto each page and find out when i last changed em :) <_QZ> well i dont think the mailing list and chat pages need dates, do u? _QZ: for balance yes _QZ: dont mind me, i'm just anal about such things <_QZ> well i dont know a date for mailing list page _QZ: the true date doesnt matter Tril: why cant the tunes logger to be extended to handle 2 channels? 04:40pm hcf: because it's a frigging ircii client with /LOG ON and some /ON macros to change filenames at midnight isnt it bitchx? _QZ: i'd settle for full last mods dates on http://www.qzx.com/brix/info/ ;) bitchx is ircii.. but yes.. bitchx is ircii + a load of "features" thus, why couldnt it be scripted to handle 2 chans? <_QZ> Tril: do u know the url to your mailing list page? or perhaps better yet, bitchx may have a pre-made script for extended logging <_QZ> hcf: it would interlace the channels in the log file _QZ: not if properly done <_QZ> hcf: what do u mean full mod dates? _QZ: last dates for each item <_QZ> i have last mod dates on the info page? <_QZ> btw its broken _QZ: do u know anything about ur own website? ;) <_QZ> eh? roughly half of the items on the info page have last mod dates * Tril/#TUNES is away: (afk) [BX-MsgLog Off] 04:50pm <_QZ> bitch bitch bitch :) <_QZ> have u noticed that none of those pages work? <_QZ> i need to add #!/.../php3 to the top of each page cuz aros.net changed php3 i hadnt, and it doesnt matter, just balanced last mod date lines matter ;) <_QZ> and instead of doing that im gonna add each page to an sql db and i need to update them all cuz they are all out dated <_QZ> and then they will all have mod dates, u happy :) <_QZ> i have an idea for the os review page, anyone want to implement it? <_QZ> example at http://www.qzx.com/brix/list/ haha everything is "Nothing New" except your OS 05:00pm <_QZ> s_r: why dont u make a page like that on tunes.org <_QZ> then ppl can browse thru the table to find OSes that have downloads or whatever like a table of data on OS projects <_QZ> ya <_QZ> the current status of the project, if a download exists and a short description of features so what part of Brix are you working on next? <_QZ> if its a unix clone with a uk then put "microkernel unix clone" or soemthing hmmm like OpenBLT <_QZ> im gonna finish semaphore management tongiht OpenBLT is a standard microkernel clone nothing special <_QZ> right just basic OS it's going to progress though <_QZ> oh and list whether or not its a true uk <_QZ> i dont think openblt is i thought the same about LittleOS but the project seems dead, it hasn't been updated since 1998 <_QZ> a true uk shouldnt have tcp/ip, keyboard, fs, ne2000, etc in the kernel ne2000 is a mod not part of the kernel _QZ: do you need as pathetic examples as flops and antares to make brix look good? console is also a mod <_QZ> smkl: i started at the top of an os list and went down actually there aren't many "revolutionary" OSes in dev. now most that are in any late stage of progress are UNIX clones <_QZ> well only list oses that have or plan to have something to download QZ which do you think will get farther first: OpenBLT or Brix? <_QZ> i dont care how far openblt gets, brix is better <_QZ> they cant be compared 05:10pm s_r: why bother asking questions of obviously biased ppl? heh <_QZ> :) what's clementine's homepage it's elusive <_QZ> nokernel.org s_r: doesnt really have one abi: clementine? rumour has it clementine is a modular OS being written by core (mailto:core@tunes.org) abi: xcom? xcom is a portable component system at http://xcom.tunes.org s_r: the xcom page will lead to any clem. page <_QZ> hcf: nokernel.org is the site core is gonna use ExOS <_QZ> hey core changed the background from black to gray :) this is possibly the best song ever created exokernel? i guess exokernel is a system with no run-time kernel synthetix s_r: abi wont respond to public stuff w/o ?'s now * s_r/#tunes checks out Dolphin qz: so you're not working for M$? anymore? <_QZ> heh, i would rather cut my own balls off before i would work for M$ m$ windows 2000 will be bloat <_QZ> dolphin has a source download and has new ideas dolphin looks nice <_QZ> dolphin and brix use to be competition synthetix? 05:20pm qz is windows 2000 going to be bloated or is microsoft finally going to do something right? <_QZ> 57 million lines of code, hmm i think it will be the most streamlined os ever made hehe though ms did program most of windows 95 in assembler it's still bloated why is it 57 million lines of code? do they really need all that? what could possibly require so many lines of code? 05:30pm -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us338.javanet.com] has joined #tunes i'm going to download windows 2k from the warez chans just to replace windows 95 the beta -:- s_r [sr@phila-dialup599.nni.com] has left #tunes [] 05:40pm -:- SignOff smkl: #TUNES (sleeping ...) !NickServ:*! ^lilo used GETPASS on tweek * hcf/#tunes is away: (afk) -:- Beholder [beholder@ppp-043.m4-1.osh.ican.net] has left #tunes [] * Tril/#TUNES is back from the dead. Gone 1 hrs 18 min 40 secs * Tril/#TUNES is away: (afk) [BX-MsgLog Off] -:- water [water@ppp-tnt-43.tscnet.net] has joined #tunes hello all anyone here? 06:30pm <_QZ> nope k ;) <_QZ> tril is gonna setup a news server ok fare seems to think my moderated channel idea is lame i wonder if he'll ever help me with anything <_QZ> fare thinks everything is lame yeah, except his own ideas ;) <_QZ> especially when someone is in control anything new with you, qz? <_QZ> i finished the event mangagement in brix today cool <_QZ> semaphores should be done tonight k <_QZ> that will make 3 sections of functions finished <_QZ> and 2 to go i don't suppose you could explain your architecture to me quickly * hcf/#tunes is back hey hcf <_QZ> well the kernel threads method code in an objects space hoy water <_QZ> understand that? sure just like squeak overall <_QZ> all methods are stored as files and loaded when needed 06:40pm files? or objects? objects are built from other objects in what way? abi forget objects water: I forgot objects <_QZ> well technically they are objects, but most ppl understand the word file more ok i think that i'm used to this architecture type <_QZ> why?