IRC log started Mon Apr 19 00:00:00 1999 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0419 -:- Tril [dem@sloth.wcug.wwu.edu] has joined #TUNES -:- mode/#tunes [+o Tril] by ChanServ -:- Downix [down@survivoronetwothree.ne.mediaone.net] has joined #Tunes -:- mode/#tunes [+v Downix] by Tril -:- SignOff Fare: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Fare[quatramaran.ens.fr]) Hey, anyone awake? 02:30am -:- Fare [rideau@quatramaran.ens.fr] has joined #Tunes -:- mode/#tunes [+v Fare] by Tril Hey, anyone awake? 02:40am -lilo(lilo@varley.openprojects.net)- [GlobalNotice] Good morning/afternoon/evening all. Bear in mind that the occasional reporter will drop by with questions. Just assume the person you are talking to really is a reporter, to err on the safe side, and be as nice as you can. Thanks. :) -:- x5 [unknown@onoff.tolna.net] has joined #Tunes -:- mode/#tunes [+v x5] by Tril -:- x5 [unknown@onoff.tolna.net] has left #Tunes [] -:- SignOff Downix: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- WebBot [Libertad@200.26.55.13] has joined #tunes -:- mode/#tunes [+v WebBot] by Tril hi pp; ppl thanx! 08:40am -:- kamisa [shuangshua@202.99.34.23] has joined #Tunes -:- mode/#tunes [+v kamisa] by Tril hello is ? -:- kamisa [shuangshua@202.99.34.23] has left #Tunes [] -:- SignOff WebBot: #TUNES (Ping timeout for WebBot[200.26.55.13]) 08:50am hum 09:20am -:- Downix [down@survivoronetwothree.ne.mediaone.net] has joined #tunes -:- mode/#tunes [+v Downix] by Tril Hello all hi! 09:50am what's up? -:- Fare is now known as PrezSerbi -:- PrezSerbi is now known as Fare 10:00am * Fare/#Tunes is away * Tril/#TUNES is away: (afk) [BX-MsgLog Off] -:- hcf [nef@me-portland-us1031.javanet.com] has joined #tunes -:- mode/#tunes [+v hcf] by Tril anyone awake? I am, kinda 12:20pm why r we getting +v'd when the channel isnt +m ? 12:30pm No clue 12:40pm -:- SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- Petazzoni [peta@ppp-175-45.velizy.club-internet.fr] has joined #tunes -:- mode/#tunes [+v Petazzoni] by Tril does anyone work for brix project ? -:- Petazzoni [peta@ppp-175-45.velizy.club-internet.fr] has left #tunes [] -:- SignOff Downix: #TUNES (Leaving) 02:10pm -:- _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes -:- mode/#tunes [+v _QZ] by Tril Gakuk! <_QZ> does retro save shit that u compile in forth? wassup, doc? QZ: retro has no write driver for disk or anything, so take your conclusions. <_QZ> ok <_QZ> so u can code yer ass off and not get anywhere :) 04:50pm is there a way for me to use bespin as a mail relay in an authenticated way? <_QZ> huh 05:00pm kukag! -:- SignOff Fare: #TUNES (Connection reset by pear) 05:10pm -:- draq [draq1@acay019125200.acay.com.au] has joined #Tunes -:- mode/#tunes [+v draq] by Tril hi 07:30pm -:- Iepos [root@d16.t1-6.tecinfo.com] has joined #TUNES -:- mode/#tunes [+v Iepos] by Tril -:- Lynn_C [lcrwfrd@dialup-209.244.110.164.Seattle1.Level3.net] has joined #Tunes -:- mode/#tunes [+v Lynn_C] by Tril -:- SignOff Iepos: #TUNES (Iepos) -:- Lynn_C [lcrwfrd@dialup-209.244.110.164.Seattle1.Level3.net] has left #Tunes [] -:- Downix [down@survivoronetwothree.ne.mediaone.net] has joined #Tunes -:- mode/#tunes [+v Downix] by Tril -:- draq [draq1@acay019125200.acay.com.au] has left #Tunes [] Hey disq erm, dang 08:20pm -:- SignOff Tril: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Tril[sloth.wcug.wwu.edu]) -:- Tril [dem@sloth.wcug.wwu.edu] has joined #TUNES -:- mode/#tunes [+o Tril] by ChanServ -:- NetSplit: sterling.openprojects.net split from clarke.openprojects.net [08:47pm] -:- BitchX+Deb1an: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [sterling.openprojects.net] -:- Netjoined: sterling.openprojects.net clarke.openprojects.net -:- Tril [dem@sloth.wcug.wwu.edu] has joined #tunes -:- ^lilo [lilo@varley.openprojects.net] has joined #tunes -:- timestamp [dancer2@207.16.36.12] has joined #tunes -:- _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes -:- Downix [down@survivoronetwothree.ne.mediaone.net] has joined #tunes -:- ServerMode/#tunes [+ovvvv Tril ^lilo timestamp _QZ Downix] by koontz.openprojects.net -:- mode/#tunes [+v abi] by Tril -:- KREGY [jatts4lif@24.64.14.246] has joined #tunes -:- mode/#tunes [+v KREGY] by Tril anyone alive? yup Hmm, are you one of the developers in berlin or tunes? 09:10pm <_QZ> hello <_QZ> what is berlin? >>> _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] requested PING 924582412 171315 from #tunes 09:30pm sorry was gone out you still there qz? berlin is an attempt to write a gui using an orb. <_QZ> ya <_QZ> oh i know of that berlin are you a developer in tunes, or just interested in OS's? <_QZ> i am making BRiX what is that? 09:50pm <_QZ> brix? brix is, like, a free, not open source, persistent multithreaded multi-user OO computing environment located at http://www.qzx.com/brix sounds ambitious, from looking at the intro for 2 seconds. why not open project? <_QZ> :) wanna be the next bill gates eh? :) <_QZ> that was just put there to piss off a couple people :) <_QZ> it will be open source, but dont tell anyone ;) what kinda gui model? just your normal api gui? <_QZ> api gui? no corba type design like berlin? using IDL's etc. <_QZ> the gui is like all other parts of brix <_QZ> its composed of tons of methods and objects <_QZ> all interchangeable i see, what about kernal? monolythic or microkernal? <_QZ> in brix everything happens by sending a message (method+parameters) to an object <_QZ> mirco <_QZ> micro ever looked into cache kernals? <_QZ> instead of adding apps u add tiny methods into the collective hmm i see, quite an object oriented approach. <_QZ> very fast hard to implement? <_QZ> it has been a bitch <_QZ> but i have pulled it off I want to learn about operating systems, mind you i'm still reading my intro to OS books haha but this concept of cache kernals sounded interesting. how about flux? <_QZ> what about flux are there any design benefits in there architecture, compared to the mach micro? <_QZ> mach is slow those are the two i want to study once i get past nachOS :) 10:00pm <_QZ> i like my kernel <_QZ> USR: call, send, resume, suspend, kill, sleep, clone, new, open, close, resize, info, lookup, search, new_evt, hook, unhook, wait, signal, new_sem, slock, sunlock SYS: kext, malloc, mget, mfree, iget, ifree, setpit, mlock, munlock remember i'm just a beginner :) what is all that haha? <_QZ> kernel calls are those calls similar to the ones from Posix? <_QZ> no if i want to learn about OS's to the point of one day designing my own educational kernal, whats the best way to proceed? 10:10pm <_QZ> first u have to figure out what kinda OS u wanna make <_QZ> if its just to say "i made an OS" then learn how dos was made and make a dos clone haha, well I could go with a MicroKernal/Cache Kernal/Flux Features but i'm sure by a weeks worth of reading i'll be too swamped and give up my effort. <_QZ> if u wanna make something a bit better then learn how linux,fbsd,mach,etc works and make some unix clone well which books have you found most useful to get started with? <_QZ> its unlikely that yer os will ever get used tho right now i'm just going through one by Galvin called OS Concepts. <_QZ> so if u want to have yer os used by others then create something totally new yeah but something totally new would take years of research and effort by lots of users, besides linux, if you ask me most of the other projects haven't been able to provide anything of use, reactos, allos, freedows, etc etc <_QZ> i havent read any OS books <_QZ> i have some hardware programming books impressive :) <_QZ> if u design something like unix then u can port gcc and some libraries and then everything else will just run on it <_QZ> so u get a huge software base immediately <_QZ> but if u dont make it compatible with an existing os then u have no software and it will probably flop[ yeah I know, hence why i guess its nice to have it posix compliance. <_QZ> but with brix i have gone around that how so? <_QZ> lots of reusable code <_QZ> u dont have to reinvent the wheel on anything including even a C++ compiler? <_QZ> say in linux u have a word processor but u dont like some things it does or u wanna add more features <_QZ> well u can either dig thru the source and change it all yerself or write yer own 10:20pm <_QZ> in brix that word processor is composed of tons of methods that u can throw away, or u can add as many more as u want <_QZ> the glue code is the kernel no I understand that concept, the true pardigm of OO design but how will your users compile these objects? unless you have some high level language for all this stuff? <_QZ> the os has its own language integrated meaning, will you not have to map or whatever they call it, gcc to your kernals apis? <_QZ> the language is integrated into the gui I see, so its a language centric type of OS. what is this language based on python? <_QZ> its a hybrid between c and forth and others <_QZ> and the language is also tons of methods okay, _QZ. <_QZ> language <_QZ> language? somebody said language was integrated into the gui or tons of methods <_QZ> abi: forget language _QZ: I forgot language sounds intersting. <_QZ> u can add yer own syntax into it you must require a fair bit of developers to make your project? <_QZ> i am the only one right now I can't see making any modern kernal, without lots of resources. <_QZ> i am hoping to release it on may 1st, and then others can start coding for it how far have you gotten so far? <_QZ> im still rebuilding the kernel, it was almost done when i found a flaw and had to redo tons of it <_QZ> i also have floppy, ofs, virtual console, keyboard stuff well good luck :) 10:30pm <_QZ> one day of working on it and i would be done <_QZ> u wanna see inside brix? sure <_QZ> http://borg.qzx.com/bi/memory/ beyond me at the moment, but neat :) <_QZ> all the internal lists and stuff maintained by the kernel 10:40pm -:- SignOff Downix: #TUNES (Leaving) -:- SignOff _QZ: #TUNES (BRiX [http://www.qzx.com/brix] :: sleep) [msg(TUNES)] newlog 1999.0420 IRC log ended Tue Apr 20 00:00:00 1999