[msg(TUNES)] newlog 1999.0316 TUNES: No such nick/channel [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0316 TUNES: No such nick/channel ωνω hcf [nef@me-portland-us222.javanet.com] has joined #tunes anyone awake?  nope rrrrr zzzzzzzz 05:50am !sterling.openprojects.net!! Remote CONNECT vinge.openprojects.net 8005 from ^lilo ωνω SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) ωνω hcf [nef@me-portland-us845.javanet.com] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) ωνω hcf [nef@me-portland-us1024.javanet.com] has joined #tunes ωνω tcn [tcn@cci-209150250107.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes hoy tcn hey woooohhoo Almost done with my floppy driver whers ur ITS review? 01:40pm http://www.tunes.org/~tcn/its.html what's w/ geekman? heh geekman? I see all these "Nickserv killed geekman" messages do I /set umode -s? idk You ever play MUD's? nope why do u ask? we were talking about it on the ml I played a little, a long time ago some people are addicts :) yeah, i scanned that is the its rev the only new thing on ur hp? uhh s/new/new or updated/ oh yeah, retro.html is also new I should put dates in the index page dude, dates r worthless if i cant remember when i last visited ok, I'll just say I update it alot :) 01:50pm that should be obvious http://www.tunes.org/~tcn/retro.html replaces http://www.clarityconnect.com/webpages5/tcn/hack/retro.html ? yeah, I'm moving stuff onto bespin π Tril/#TUNES is back from the dead. Gone 333 hrs 13 min 0 secs or maybe I'll just mirror it hello abi clarityconnect doesn't let you telnet or anything.. just ftp. And it's a mac.. ack. abi, hi hello, Tril hey tril yo Tril: abi's hello reply happens ~30% of the time (in case u care) abi: que pasa? no idea, tcn hello abi hello abi hello abi hello, Tril abi: que tal? que tal is spansih for whats up haha oh, I thought that i typed it in the wrong syntax. you supposed to say "nada" tcn: yes KUT is aborted the faq looks ok I think I'm gonna go with SGML like fare said, though If it gets to be as big as, say, the freebsd faq, it'll need sections & crap ωνω SignOff Tril: #TUNES (BRB) ωνω Tril [dem@sloth.wcug.wwu.edu] has joined #TUNES better the old one looks professional, it's just doesn't answer any _frequently_ asked questions :) 02:00pm did core talk to ultima b4 updating the rev links? I dunno I thought hcf you already checked all the links? Tril: yes i did core would of known this if he had bothered to talk to the "head" of the rev project i think core was spacing. But ultima should have posted them. I think the problem is too many people did stuff without posting to the tunes list. either you, or ultima should ahve posted to tunes that the review links were fixed, and core definit ely should have posted to tunes that he was PLANNING to do some changes to review actually i think you posted to review@tunes.org. but there are like 3 people on that iv never posted People should just DO things, instead of waiting to see what everyone else thinks (unless they're gonna do a half-assed job) oh well ppl should also check w/ the project head related to what theyre doing this relates to a suggestion i had a while back, an admin ml as in project "leaders" and contrib'ers etc well since we dont have one, the main list should include those topics. if the main list gets flooded with admin posts then we can split it How about a directory on the server with a list of projects & stuff? you mean a web page? the main list wasnt getting flooded b4, but u made a bunch of lists More like we have in ~bineng/html well it seemed flooded to me at one time I certainly couldnt read all the posts The lists should be for ideas, not administrativia and Fare was more behind than u, wasnt he? i think he still is? fare is usually behind. i was just behind that one time. He read that MOOOS thing I posted if u and Fare wer behind b4, and u both read all the MLs, u shouldnt be any less behind 02:10pm college killed the traffic, and thus killed the need for so many lists hehe, wait a month or two tcn: go for it(list of whatever) hcf:You think tunes is disorganized? who cares? if there is no code/docs rev project pages =~ docs Fare said he was reading Hackers.. I've been re-reading some of that lately too.. it's inspiring which hackers? Steven Levy's yes, quite good I read that ITS manual, too :) tcn: did u find anything on WAITS? hcf: yeah! Uhh.. a little bit :) It stands for W-something A-something ITS :) all i know of so far is, http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?query=waits&action=Search has ther been any word from ultima? such as, on his version of the rev pages No I haven't heard anything from him since he said the SQL database would be up in 2-3 days, which was like 1 month ago :) oh, so WAITS is an alternative to ITS, not a version of it i'm mirroring debian 2.1 to bespin now, then i'm going to burn some cds, and setup a copy of bespin at home under debian, make sure it works, then swap out the old distro tcn: supposedly so he will get his sql Tril: You sure you want 2.1? ynot you think I should use potato? No! 02:20pm I've been using 2.1 for a couple months now, and they keep changing it on me :) I go to add a package, and it tries to send me 50 megs of updates :) but it was released last week, and is now the stable release. Meanwhile I'm evaluating Freebsd to see if I should abandon linux altogether oh it's stable now? cool In that case, I'll upgrade, if they promise not to make any more drastic changes abi: review updates are at http://www.tunes.org/~nef/rev/ gotta go... π Tril/#TUNES is away: (aFK) [BX-MsgLog Off] tcn: is http://www.tunes.org/~tcn/its.html a ~permanent link? yeah k, il add it to my links list I didn't wanna put all my ITS stuff in the Review page, because I'll expand it if I find more oooh I want a space cadet keyboard :) π hcf/#tunes too I could type front-L instead of lambda 02:30pm I should set up an ALT key for greek letters in Retro :) it wouldnt hard w/ linux just set a key combo to exec the kbd map thing hehe.. so that explains EMACS being so weird I'd like to set up Retro so you can type in integral symbols and stuff like that, just like you would on paper well, time for band practice See ya'll oh, using a digital pen ;) ωνω SignOff tcn: #TUNES (tcn has no reason) 02:40pm there was an article on ITS on the old LispOS page 03:10pm ωνω rukmini [rukmini@ppp-209-071.california.com] has joined #tunes For your language review subproject, the following may be of interest: http://kerkis.math.aegean.gr/~dspin/pubs/thesis/PhD/thesis.pdf It includes a brief synopsis of many (multiparadigm) languages. 03:50pm ωνω SignOff rukmini: #TUNES (Ping timeout for rukmini[ppp-209-071.california.com]) ωνω SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Ping timeout for hcf[me-portland-us1024.javanet.com]) π Tril/#TUNES is back from the dead. Gone 3 hrs 4 min 26 secs >>> You(TUNES_) are now known as TUNES ωνω Starting logfile 1999.0316 IRC log started Tue Mar 16 17:36:00 1999 ωνω Value of LOG set to ON [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0316 I was fixing the log bot Hum. I'd like to put all my personal stuff on CVS what should I do? (btw, sweety will be back in one or two weeks, at another place) is this stuff to be publically accessible? 05:40pm I don't think so. Definitely read-only for everyone but me. well, why don't you start a CVS repository in your home directory somewhere yup, that's what I should do. just set CVSROOT=/users/fare/cvsrep and run cvs import btw, I'd like to setup automatic backup of bespin as soon as sweety is back online. sweety has tapes? I don't think it has (yet), but its new place is at fdbd's, just 15' away afoot from my work place. does that mean you get root? :P on sweety? Dunno. But root will be just a few feet away, so that won't be a problem ah.. who changed jobs, you are Benoit? s/are/or/ at worst, I can bring my laptop, and rsync from sweety to it thru 10Mbps ethernet neither, but sweety was hosted at Ecole Centrale de Paris (ecp.fr), where Benoit was (a few years ago), and where he cannot host sweety anymore. now sweety will be hosted at fdbd, which is also near my work place how can fdbd be 15 feet away from CNET? (except that my work place may move in fall) 15 *minutes* away oh, you meant 15 min walking distance. the 'afoot' threw me off. same small "town" in the direct suburbs of Paris. '=feet=minutes "=inches=seconds, I'm glad degrees!=hours yeah, I learnt that reading AD&D's rules when I was *younh* Have you seen pliant? I installed it on bespin but have not tried running it I still hesitate about where to begin coding: scratch? an existing implementation? Which? it has a web server serving the dynamically generated docs. 05:50pm i know, i sent in a bug report for the http server why doesn't nef modify the CVS directly? Hum. Someone oughta merge his changes... for what? http://www.tunes.org/~nef/rev/ oh, review? I dunno. why does nef not post to the tunes list, either. do you have staroffice or ms word 97? hum. Maybe we oughta do it for him? I had staroffice on one computer. Never used it -- too slow. removed it from my laptop ok.. i'll send you a draft of my spec this week what? You use word?????? oh, no! i was planning to use staroffice but then they installed a quota on the sun machines. SO5 takes up 250 megs. i have not learned any TeX i mostly use ascii text, but word for school papers I think instead we should MAKE nef marge his own changes what about LaTeX? I tried to convince nef, to no avail what was his reason? he had no particular reason, besides not wanting to learn CVS uh-huh. bespin's /debian/slink is now up to date. 06:00pm rsync -ru ftp.debian.org::debian ~ftp/debian will bespin run debian? rsync uses up a lot less memory than mirror.pl. Mirror loads the ls-lR into RAM and then hashes it, so about 32 megs, rsync only uses up 5 or 6 ever i hope to install debian at home and copy all bespin's configuration settings to it, make sure it runs, then swap out the distros quickly as you suggested great keep me tuned where was that linux-box-in-a-match-box page, already? never heard of it http://wearables.stanford.edu bespin will run Debian TUNES 06:10pm :) what do you think about The Game? bespin is primary DNS, right? I mean, SOA yes, why, do you want to change it? (must tell benoit to update fdbd's dns) currently all that he is doing is causing people using fdbd nameservers to have problems accessing tunes but if he fixes it i would be glad to add him as another secondary yup -- he experienced it just today, trying to load my page from www.tunes.org while sweety is down :) i think the game could get kind of surreal. if your computer thought you were always playing a game. oops, you are now sent on a quest to go find your documents ... now you must find the key to open your printer.. if it is just an optional version, then fine i will write many games for tunes uh, of course, optional. But might be *the* "killer app" :) darn it, rsync erased my hamm mirror --delete is *dangerous* 06:20pm that's where those 3 free gigabytes came from i won't download it again, slink is stable now i was worried ~ftp would fill up, anyway. with all of hamm, slink, and potato on there I had only 400 megs free! out of a 10 gig partition. how big is slink alone? ... you don't copy non-US? du -s */binary-i386 */binary-all | sw 1 1162737 ouch, a lot! not into my public FTP directory, unless I want to be a national traitor root@bespin:/debian/dists/slink$ du -s 3985069 . I don't need the binary-alpha :) or rather, :( I'll copy non-US onto the CDs I make of slink, though brb 06:30pm ωνω _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes hi _QZ <_QZ> hey hola, _QZ 06:40pm gakuk, cuzie! π Fare/#Tunes just read Stephen Levy's "Hackers" this week hackers is good, i read several times long ago I mostly skipped the parts on hardware and gaming hackers my mom's comment on my summary of the demise of MIT LISP hackers: "they were punished for their arrogance and cupidity" 06:50pm π Fare/#Tunes is away sleep ωνω SignOff Tril: #TUNES (Tril has no reason) ωνω hcf [nef@me-portland-us145.javanet.com] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) ωνω hcf [nef@me-portland-us225.javanet.com] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) ωνω hcf [nef@me-portland-us836.javanet.com] has joined #tunes ωνω Tril [dem@sloth.wcug.wwu.edu] has joined #TUNES hoy Tril hello salut, Tril <_QZ> hola what's up, _QZ <_QZ> wonderful, i have a high pitch buzzing coming from this machine _QZ: i know what to do for that one <_QZ> i have 7 fans in it and will have to figure out which one it is check all the cards plugged in tight and no loose screws sitting on the board 09:00pm ωνω SignOff Tril: #TUNES (sleep) ωνω lar1 [larman@208.254.225.41] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff lar1: #TUNES (Read error to lar1[208.254.225.41]: Connection reset by peer) ωνω SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) ωνω SignOff _QZ: #TUNES (BRiX [http://www.qzx.com/brix] :: sleep) [msg(TUNES)] newlog 1999.0317 IRC log ended Wed Mar 17 00:00:00 1999