IRC log started Fri Mar 12 00:00:00 1999
[msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0312
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<Fare> Cuzie!
10:10am
<_QZ> fairy!
<_QZ> ahhhh nothing like the great taste of nyquil
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<Fare> hi
<smkl> hello
10:40am
<Fare> ole
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<binEng> Ahh... Friday evening
<smkl> hello binEng
<binEng> hi there
<binEng> Busy channel as always, I see?
02:10pm
<binEng> Definitely.
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<binEng> wb :/
<smkl> o O o
02:40pm
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<smkl> hello ProGuy
<ProGuy> Howdy folks
<smkl> have you been here before
<smkl> ?
<ProGuy> No
<binEng> hi ProGuy
<smkl> do you know what this channel is about?
<ProGuy> Hello binEng
<ProGuy> smkl: Nope, and the title doesn't say it either ;)
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<binEng> not that that site says that much either...
<ProGuy> Hmm... Looks like I will have to check that site!
<ProGuy> Aren't there any OP's in this channel?
<smkl> are you a takeover hax0r?
<ProGuy> nopez!
<smkl> we are protected by ircops
<binEng> powerful friends, eh.
π ProGuy/#tunes will be right back in a sec.
03:10pm
π ProGuy/#tunes is back
<ProGuy> So, bineng, what is this thing you have going right now?
<binEng> um
<ProGuy> tunes, 
<binEng> just a moment
<ProGuy> okey
<smkl> nobody is really working on tunes
<ProGuy> Why not? meta-thingie`
<ProGuy> ?
<smkl> we are all too lazy, and we have no idea what tunes should be like
<binEng> I'm working on UniOS, http://members.xoom.com/unios
<binEng> WE have at least a little more clue as to how it should be.
<ProGuy> Right UniOS, now I remember. That project looked good, last time I checked it!
<binEng> When was that?
<ProGuy> I would join UniOS too, but I simply don't have any sparetime ;(
<smkl> well, it looks much worse now
<ProGuy> Well, a couple of months ago
<_QZ> smkl: :)
<binEng> smkl: you liked the magneta color scheme?
<ProGuy> binEng: Interesting docs.!
<binEng> yah, more or less
<smkl> on the other hand, BRiX will be finished 19991201, and it will sell 100000000 before year 2000
<_QZ> im curious but has any OS done by a group (other than .edu groups) gone anywhere? jolt did but then it died suddenly
<binEng> oh so it will, will it?
<ProGuy> Visual Development Enviroment! Interesting theory
<binEng> QZ: I was wondering the same...
03:20pm
<binEng> ProGuy: That's something I personally question.
<ProGuy> Looks a bit like medi8,
<smkl> _QZ: yeah, they have all gone to hell
π Fare/#Tunes is back for a minute
<_QZ> any of u religious?
<Fare> how that "gone anywhere"???
<ProGuy> _QZ: Not me!!!
<binEng> completely un-religious
<Fare> I'm rather anti-religious
<binEng> That's a good word
<binEng> It looks like projects like ours run a high risk of a premature death. And ideas of how to prevent that?
<ProGuy> Yep
<Fare> Except that I do support people's right to be stupid in general
<ProGuy> Fare, I agree with you!
<_QZ> cuz like religious ppl say that when u die it was yer time to go, god said so. so like if some1 kills u then they were carrying out god's work and should not be considered a crimnal. correct? :)
<binEng> Yes, it's fine for me as long as I don't have to see them.
<Fare> (you can't prevent people from being stupid and not prevent them from being intelligent at the same time)
<binEng> QZ, no because then it's satan, something that God obviously created anyway
<ProGuy> binEng: Well, if the project has to survieve, you have to keep up working!
<Fare> (there are only two things you can do: make them responsible, and show them the way)
<binEng> ProGuy: it might be as easy as that
<_QZ> but if god didnt want u to die then u would not die? (im atheist so i dont know)
<Fare> If I (the high-priest) agree, it's god's work. If I don't, it's satan's work. Easy!
<ProGuy> binEng: I beleive so, and keep getting people join the project, even thou that is hard without a product!
<binEng> I don't care. I think no god has any physical power. I guess I'm an atheist too
<Fare> read alt.athiest, recently? :->
<binEng> ProGuy: Then we could begin by recruiting you, maybe
<binEng> Fare: no?
<Fare> alt.atheist.moderated has a good FAQ, particularly the part about having a logical argument vs using fallacies
<_QZ> Fare: ah so i just need to get a high-priest to agree and i can cap sum1. kewl :)
<Fare> cap?
<_QZ> english slang for shoot
<ProGuy> binEng: Sure, but I don't have much sparetime to use, but I will be as active as possible!
<smkl> Fare: _QZ wants you
<binEng> ProGuy: I'll get you in contact with Beholder
<Fare> smkl: what for?
<ProGuy> binEng: ok, thanks! I really like those docs. Short and exact!
<_QZ> ProGuy: i would wait until beholder has a basic working system before joining
π Fare/#Tunes 's reading Steven Levy's "Hackers". Like the first textbook of History.
<binEng> ProGuy: That's the way it should be... not like Tunes
<_QZ> u have to plant a seed before anything can grow. that is why tunes, unios, etc arent going anywhere. they got no seed yet
<binEng> Qz: no seed? you mean no ideas?
<Fare> QZ: and you do?
03:30pm
<ProGuy> Well, The last time I tried to do something like that, it disapperead (The Programming Place)
<ProGuy> I don't like to see that happen to other people! And UniOS might get somewhere with enoght support!
<_QZ> Fare: i didnt say i have one, but i am working on one. u just expect one to magically appear and no group has yet to make that happen
<binEng> "Plan to throw one away, because you will anyway" (or something alike)
<Fare> What kind of "seed" do you expect?
<_QZ> a basic working system
<Fare> ok
<Fare> have you seen pliant?
<ProGuy> binEng: Do you have any system programmers in UniOS??
<_QZ> look at linux
<_QZ> linus made the system and then it grew
<ProGuy> What about you _QZ any System Programmers in your group?
<_QZ> ProGuy: i have not let any1 into brix
<ProGuy> Well, indeed he did _QZ. But he had a goal!
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<ProGuy> _QZ: Sounds reasonable 
<binEng> ProGuy: well, think so. But no coding. I (we) believe in a sounds base before indulging in implementation.
<smkl> ProGuy: _QZ has a goal. http://www.qzx,com/
<binEng> Everyone's got a goal!
<binEng> A goal is nothing special.
<ProGuy> Yes, but Linus' goal was simple in the beginning!
<smkl> not simple, well defined
<ProGuy> Right!
<ProGuy> But more simple as just saying the BEST OS!!
<binEng> heh
<binEng> What would it be good for otherwise? Aiming to be 2nd best?
<ProGuy> I think it could be a problem, if people just talk about it, without doing ANYTHING
<_QZ> groups can have conflicting ideas
<binEng> right (won't mention any examples...)
<smkl> we don't even talk about tunes anymore
<binEng> ;)
<ProGuy> That's right
<ProGuy> If an OS ever has to be something, someone has to start it! and make a simple system, else people won't back it up!
<binEng> too true
<ProGuy> Why do you think so many people are working on Linux! Finally they can do OS development, without starting from scratch!
<binEng> Unfortuntely Linux was oldfashined before even getting somewhere
<ProGuy> Pretty much, yes!
<_QZ> but it ateleast got somehwere
<ProGuy> Exactly
03:40pm
<ProGuy> That's why somebody has to start, but also has to know, that the system maybe needs MAJOR changes
<binEng> qz, that is an achievement, yes, mainly because it gives hope to other projects
<_QZ> if tunes is to ever go anywhere then fare needs to either write a basic system or delegate specific work to others
<ProGuy> Exactly!!
<binEng> But since you don't even know how a simple system would look...
<_QZ> it is fare's OS, he knows
<ProGuy> Then decide!
<ProGuy> When working on a OS in a group, somebody has to make the decissions, or else will nothing happen. It's pretty logic!
<_QZ> binEng: if u wanted to takeover tunes all u need to do is figure out what tunes should be like and start coding and the tunes members would follow u
<binEng> qz, I have my own business to mind...
<_QZ> ppl dont follow ideas, they follow other ppl
<ProGuy> binEng, How will Behold keep UniOS going?
<ProGuy> Right
<binEng> well, we've been doing ok so far
<ProGuy> It's very interresting how this discussion reminds me of school ;)
<binEng> more members is issue #1
<binEng> how so, ProGuy
<ProGuy> Political discussions, and ideologies ;)
<_QZ> "more members" is not an issue at all
<binEng> not for you maybe
<_QZ> where will 1000, or 100000 members get u?
<ProGuy> _QZ, I believe that you have a goal, and can accomplish it yourself, right?
<ProGuy> Well, there are no 1000 or even 100 members without a working OS!!
<smkl> they want somebody who is able to program an OS
<_QZ> it will get u nowhere since no one is telling them where to go
<_QZ> ProGuy: yes
<smkl> freedows probably has 1000 members
<ProGuy> QZ, May I ask a little question about your system?
<binEng> qz, Beholder is quite skilled, IMO
<_QZ> go ahead
<ProGuy> smkl, That's why freedows is a project where people can say: "Wow, free windows, cool. I know windows i like it"
<ProGuy> QZ, HD support?
<_QZ> not yet
<ProGuy> QZ, which FS?
<_QZ> ofs, native to brix
<smkl> _QZ: do you have something that works?
<_QZ> smkl: large parts of it work
<ProGuy> QZ, ever tried to do fat programming?
<_QZ> ProGuy: no
03:50pm
<ProGuy> QZ, Well I think it's a bit difficult. The whole disk access stuff is a very tricky and important part of a OS
<_QZ> bri: requires less-functional components to make it more flexible
<binEng> I thought that simulating a native FS in a FAT file could be quite successful.
<_QZ> s/brix:/brix
<ProGuy> binEng, Using fat would be the best thing to do!
<binEng> initially yes, but in the long run, performance requires a better solution. FAT is too limited to be of immediate use.
<ProGuy> Optimal compatibility!
<_QZ> compatibily makes it kinda "oldfashioned" before it ever takes off :)
<ProGuy> Well, the optimal thing would be to have fat "abilities"
<_QZ> no it wouldnt
<ProGuy> Why not?
<_QZ> that right there is exactly why i work alone
<binEng> I don't like compability. It offsets the advantages from starting from scratch
<ProGuy> Hmm.... Well, I see your point
<_QZ> im not making an os just to make one
<binEng> exactly
<_QZ> im making an OS to make the best possible OS i can make
<_QZ> if fat was 'good' software technology then it would have gotten into brix
<ProGuy> Hmm.... I can see that, what I said was a bit stupid
<binEng> ProGuy: but it's right that the end user needs to be able to test it by simple means
<ProGuy> That is actually a problem i never realized!
<_QZ> the user can easily test brix by sticking in a floppy and try out a full working system
<ProGuy> "Compatibility", it is one of the things that kills windows
<ProGuy> It doesn't help to sell a 32-bit OS, if half the kernel is 16-bit, because it has to be compatible
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<Beholder> Hello all :)
<binEng> qz: like QNX?
<ProGuy> QZ, You might be right, my OS development stopped when I didn't have enought time to do fat programming. Maybe I should make my own
<binEng> greets
<ProGuy> Howdy Beholder
<ProGuy> QZ, Running Linux?
04:00pm
<_QZ> binEng: even qnx is a bloated OS
<binEng> I found it quite sleek. Good for a POSIX, IMHO
<ProGuy> QNX?
<Beholder> QNX isn't bloated!?
<binEng> test it, really easy to do
<Beholder> It's just inflexible
π ProGuy/#tunes feels soo stupid, he doens't know what QNX is!!
<binEng> bad design (apart from UI), but good implementation
<_QZ> www.qnx.com
<Beholder> Pro: You can go to QNX's site and download a demo disk
<Beholder> Pro: It's awesome it boots off a disk and includes a web browser
<smkl> BRiX will have web browser, office programs and windows emulator on a floppy?
<ProGuy> Ok
<_QZ> smkl: yes
<_QZ> well cept for the windows emu :)
<_QZ> it will be an x86 emu to run other OSes under brix
<Beholder> QZ: And all written in very hard to maintain assembly?
<_QZ> only the kernel is asm
<_QZ> and only 6000 lines at that
<Beholder> QZ: 6000 lines, and you have object handling? (the kind you mentioned before?)
<_QZ> yes
<Beholder> What does your multitasking scheduling?
<smkl> how many lines you have now?
<_QZ> the kernel
<abi> rumour has it the kernel is just a message passer
<Beholder> QZ: Is it running?
<_QZ> pretty much
<Beholder> Can you demonstrate an app?
<Beholder> Sorry that last one was for QZ
04:10pm
π ProGuy/#tunes will leave soon (tired)
π Beholder/#tunes is in GMT (-5:00) so it's not bedtime yet :)
π ProGuy/#tunes is GMT +1, soo
<smkl> i'm GMT+2
<smkl> i woke at 5am
<Beholder> smkl: Get sleep before you die :)
<ProGuy> 5am??? and still awake??
<ProGuy> Beholder, where are you from?
<Beholder> Pro:  Canada
<smkl> i don't want to waste my holidays
<ProGuy> smkl: Hmm.... Do you sleep all the time then, when you do not have holidays?
<ProGuy> Beholder, Kewl
04:20pm
<smkl> uhh. i can only sleep like 7 hours then
<ProGuy> Hmmm.... When do you then ever sleep, smkl?
<smkl> i'll sleep soon
<ProGuy> hehe
<_QZ> sorry, got dizzy and had to lie down
<_QZ> right now i only have code to test the kernel and no 'apps' yets
<ProGuy> I will be leaving now, cya later!
<ProGuy> Nice chatting with you guys!
<Beholder> see ya :)
<ProGuy> yep!
<binEng> cya
<ProGuy> l8r all
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<_QZ> hola tcn
<tcn> que pasa?
<_QZ> u missed the OS discussion
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<tcn> hmm, i'll check it out
<binEng> hi tcn
<tcn> howdy bineng
<Beholder> hey TCN
<tcn> I just finished reviewing ITS
<tcn> Did u know u can find 30 year old manuals on the net?
<Beholder> Which manuals?
<tcn> Incompatible Timesharing System :)
<tcn> You know, not much has changed since 1969
<_QZ> odd
04:50pm
<_QZ> Beholder: on yer project goals page u have 4 features at teh bottom
<binEng> sometimes the world seem very odd, qz
<_QZ> the 4th has "i/o response" at the end
<Beholder> Not much has changed since 25,000,000,000 BC... but I guess change is relative :)
<_QZ> the O looks like an omega, until i highlight it. but after i scoll the page it turns back into an omega
<Beholder> QZ: I'll check on that
<_QZ> very weird
<tcn> qz: it's your browser
<Beholder> QZ: Looks fine on my system.  What browser you using?
<_QZ> ns3.0
<binEng> sounds ok for me
<Beholder> Hmm... I made the page in Netscape 4.5?
<binEng> s/sounds/looks/
<tcn> Why don't you write pages by hand?
<tcn> :)
<Beholder> I lay them out in Netscape Composer, then update them by hand.  I don't feel like learning HTML
<_QZ> that is NOT a programmers attitude
<Beholder> HTML is NOT a programming language! It's a markup language.  Besides, I'm not much of a programmer ;)
<tcn> hehe, if you can't do a web page, how do you expect to do an OS? jk
<_QZ> Beholder: u need secondary button images for yer pages. use the secondary image for the button whose page is currently displayed
<Beholder> QZ: I can do that, mabye with a complimentry color or something
05:00pm
<_QZ> or maybe add a vertical bar to the left of the buttons. and have the section infront of the current button a different color
<Beholder> QZ: Thanks for all the input :)
<tcn> Did you guys see my post to the ml? Stop screwing around with this big "web site overhaul" and just make small changes
<_QZ> Beholder: look at www.ros.net
<_QZ> Beholder: look at www.aros.net
<_QZ> tcn: eh?
<tcn> _QZ: They're never gonna "finish" it so they might as well stop kidding themselves
<_QZ> hahaha
<Beholder> QZ: Aros looks good, maybe I'll overhaul soon :)
<tcn> They haven't even overhauled a single page! They're always making up pages, putting them up for "peer review" and that's that.
<binEng> tcn: "always" seems a little flattering
<_QZ> i have updated all the brix pages to php3. so i can do a complete site overhaul by changing a single file
<Beholder> How is PHP3? 
<_QZ> its good
<Beholder> How's the documentation?
<_QZ> well, its there
05:10pm
<_QZ> u can find most everything in it but some things are either hard to find or not thoroughly explained
<Beholder> Does it link well with an SQL server?
<tcn> Would it be a waste of time to convert the whole Tunes site to PHP3?
<_QZ> i havent done any sql stuff with it yet
<_QZ> but it does have lots of support for sql servers
<Beholder> Cool.  Gotta go now, see ya all later :)
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<_QZ> tcn: :)
<tcn> From what emmanuel marty says, SQL would be great if someone in Tunes knew how to use it
<_QZ> hmm, im gonna have to file a lawsuit against beholder
<_QZ> he is infringing on my copyright of the word OID
<_QZ> Object ID
<_QZ>                  Every object has a unique (on that system) id, short called OID. The only thing that OIDs does
<_QZ>                  is to identify each object.
<tcn> haha
<_QZ> yes sql could very much benefit the tunes pages
<binEng> qz, well, then you'd better sue me. It's my words.
<_QZ> binEng: whats yer lawyers name and number? i'll have mine get in touch with him/her
<binEng> uhh
<_QZ> :)
<binEng> Name: God    Address: Heaven   Salary: You don't wanna know
<binEng> see you in court
<binEng> changed your mind yet? ;)
05:20pm
<_QZ> hmm, we have the same lawyer
<_QZ> how much u pay him
<binEng> my soul
<_QZ> i did missionary work and gave him lots of souls :)
<binEng> ahh sh*t
<binEng> Guess I'll have to find stronger allies
<tcn> satan? :)
<binEng> Hmm... wasn't there three of em... ?
<_QZ> ya im the other one :)
<tcn> anyone know how to use EMACS?
<tcn> haha
<binEng> Emacs? why?
<tcn> never really tried it before
<binEng> just a overworked bunck of hotkeys
<binEng> s/bunck/bunch/
<tcn> I think it's better than vi
<_QZ> binEng: did u write the mOS page?
<binEng> heh... one thing I like with Windows is that it has decent editors.
<binEng> QZ: correct
<tcn> Notepad sucks
<tcn> Word sucks
<_QZ> so u can answer questions about it then
<_QZ> the OH contains all the code for a particular object type right?
<binEng> QZ, as good as anybody
<binEng> yes
<binEng> EditPlus does not suck
<_QZ> can u add functionality to OH's?
<binEng> And Word does not suck when doing serious stuff
<binEng> The same OH does not necessarily take care of the implementation of all interfaces supported by the object type.
<_QZ> uhh
05:30pm
<_QZ> the page says they do
<binEng> It does? have to check that.
<_QZ> like a text object's Oh would need to handle textview, html rendering, vrml rendering, sgml rendering, etc...
<binEng> well ok... not that clear
<binEng> hey, no rendering
<binEng> it just supplies the text
<_QZ> so how do i display a text object as an html page
<binEng> ok
<binEng> maybe you'd run the text throu a filter that generated html
<binEng> a text -> html filter
<_QZ> thats not very object oriented
<binEng> not? what would you suggest?
<_QZ> brix use to be like that
<_QZ> and i found out it was not very flexible
<binEng> of course there could be a html interface for text objects from the beginning (or later, whatever)
<_QZ> so i ripped out each function from the OH's and made them individual entities
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<lar1> hey
<_QZ> since brix now has tons of very small code fragments it can slow down the system cuz it must load each function separately
<binEng> not even sorted by interface?
<binEng> I see no reason to break it down more than to a interface level
<lar1> _QZ:  What things must every distro have?  Like important modules and libs
<_QZ> so i added package support, they are transparent containers that can be created by the user
<_QZ> lar1: libc
05:40pm
<binEng> my solution can in theory result in an OH per interface per object type
<lar1> _QZ: So All I need for a watered down distro is the kernel and libc?
<_QZ> lar1: why dont u go learn linux a bit more before making yer own distro
<lar1> _QZ:  What things do I need to learn?
<_QZ> slackware 1.0
<binEng> Hey QZ, conclusion? other comments? anything??
<lar1> What about slack 1?
<_QZ> lar1: go manually install it
<lar1> Uhg
<_QZ> binEng: do u use protected memory?
<lar1> That takes too many disks... and I doubt I can even find it anywhere...
<_QZ> binEng: hardware protection
<binEng> hardware protection what?
<_QZ> memory
<_QZ> or is it software protected like tunes?
<binEng> I don't know about the details, but it's intended every object (that needs memory) has it's own protected memory. ABSOLUTELY not software protection! That is just foolish.
<_QZ> ok so the object is given the memory space and the OH(s) run inside that memory space?
<binEng> or maybe the other way round, since it's the OH who really decides
<_QZ> that is app-centric
05:50pm
<binEng> not at all, since a OH is not an app
<_QZ> yes it is
<binEng> but no - the OH can't decide such things. It must by necessity use the space given to the _object_
<_QZ> u run the code, the code loads the object
<_QZ> if 2 or more OH's want to work on an object they must use stuff like shared memory
<lar1> Shouldn't there only be 1 Object Handler?
<_QZ> if an OH displaying an object crashes then the object goes away
<binEng> unless it's a persistant system
<binEng> lar1: that would decrease flexibility
<_QZ> no, if the Oh crashes do u kill the OH window?
<binEng> hey, the OH caring for the object does not display it.
<binEng> we're talking pervasive multitasking here
<_QZ> in brix the object is the center of everything, if maintains links to all windows that have been displayed by actions working on the object
<binEng> and OH's don't have windows... why should they, they're just lowlevel mechanisms
<_QZ> if an action is killed off then the window persists until an action has removed it
<binEng> QZ, you've read the doc recently, do I mention the two-way registration of object use?
<binEng> I keep the object central too.
<_QZ> the object is not central unless it owns the memory space
<binEng> Or maybe: I too keep the object central.
<binEng> I changed my mind!
06:00pm
<tcn> later
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<lar1> anyone know of a source for linux warez?
06:20pm
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<tcn> hey
<abi> hola, tcn
<tcn> Fare, how do you rebuild the Review page?
07:30pm
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!koontz.openprojects.net!! Remote CONNECT vinge.openprojects.net 8005 from lilo
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ωνω BitchX: For more information about BitchX type /about
ωνω Welcome to the Internet Relay Network TUNES (from asimov.openprojects.net)
ωνω Your host is asimov.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.04.resolv9.nmt.egcs4.tok.pten.tlim4.admin.upper4.whisper3.gipl.modeless7 (from asimov.openprojects.net)
ωνω This server was cobbled together Sat Jan 23 1999 at 21 33:38 EST(from asimov.openprojects.net)
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ωνω [ircops on irc(15)] 6%
ωνω [total users on irc(258)]
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ωνω [total servers on irc(30)] (avg. 8 users per server)
ωνω [total channels created(71)] (avg. 3 users per channel)
!asimov.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 20 (19 clients)
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ωνω Channel #Tunes was created at Sun Feb 28 08:48:06 1999
ωνω BitchX: Join to #tunes was synced in 7.068 secs!!
ωνω NetSplit: koontz.openprojects.net split from lackey.openprojects.net [10:18pm]
ωνω BitchX: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [koontz.openprojects.net]
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[msg(TUNES)] newlog 1999.0313
IRC log ended Sat Mar 13 00:00:00 1999