IRC log started Wed Mar  3 00:00:00 1999
[msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0303
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<Fare> hi
<iStormy> hi
03:50pm
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<Fare> hum
<malificus> http://www.qzx.com/null.txt isn't very informative.
04:30pm
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<Fare> PRVT
<yery> hello, Fare
<Fare> updated my paper
<Fare> also, great stuff on /.
<Fare> In a mail about communism, I wrote that the western economical policy in Russia was particularly stupid and opposite to any liberal economy:
<Fare> by definition of liberal economy, there is no need for western government to help investment in the private russian sector
<Fare> or any other industry: that only creates corruption.
<yery>  you are right.  but what to do?
<Fare> rather, they should help with the infrastructure: most importantly, justice, then police, then schools, then hospitals, then routes, trains, etc
05:40pm
<yery>  how couls they help if they have no money?
<Fare> instead of spending a given $1M in "helping" industry, which will become $1M in corruption and mafia, they should spend that same $1M in fighting crime
<Fare> this creates the conditions for safe investment, and is a catalytic use of money, instead of a wasteful one
<yery> .. fighting themselves :)
<Fare> indeed.
<Fare> Well, not completely.
<_QZ> ok lets talk about tunes now :)
<Fare> QZ: read my latest paper?
<_QZ> about tunes?
<Fare> I revamped the end of it
<Fare> yup
<Fare> http://tunes.org/~fare/tmp/
<_QZ> oh god
<yery> Fare thanx
<_QZ> why dont u write them in say ascii or html or soemthing
<yery> Fare: and where is the source?
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<_QZ> ya where is the source :)
<yery> Fare: don't tell me you are writing dvi's :) 
<_QZ> whats the best postscript viewer for linux?
<yery> _QZ: ps2ascii
<_QZ> hehe
<_QZ> oh kewl i even have that one
05:50pm
<_QZ> ok how do i use it
<malificus> ghostview
<_QZ> ghostview sucks, it has so much whitespace around the text that i have to have the window fullscreen to read the text
<malificus> yet it handles pictures, and is free...
<malificus> both very important considerations...
<malificus> check out the LSM (Linux Software Map)...
06:00pm
<malificus> http://www.linux.org/apps/lsm.html
<malificus> seems like 100 entries for a search of 'postscript'
<malificus> only 8 entries for a search of 'postscript viewer'
06:10pm
<malificus> "NULL programming language http://www.qzx.com/null.txt" is yours, QZ, correct?
<malificus> http://www.qzx.com/null.txt isn't very informative.
<malificus> seems like the old UISC concept, renamed, but there is nothing to prove, or disprove, this possibility.
06:20pm
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<_QZ> malificus: u dont get out much do ya?
<malificus> ?
<_QZ> NULL is a freakin joke
<malificus> oh
06:30pm
<malificus> do you remember hearing about ms cleartype?
<_QZ> read the points
<_QZ> yes i know of cleartype, apple invented it some 20+ years ago and ms is gonna patent it again
<malificus> :p i hadn't bothered reading very far on the list of null claims...
<_QZ> :)
<malificus>     Point 6: NULL programs are highly portable and totally
<malificus>     machine independent.
<malificus> TUNES?
<malificus> nah. ;p
<malificus> some claims, such as 6, are within the realm of possibility.
<_QZ> what about 4
<_QZ> or 12
<malificus> 4 is ok.
<malificus> 12, too.
<malificus> in terms of usic, i think some of the more 'out there' claims are somewhat reasonable.
<_QZ> uh, ok
<malificus> :)
06:40pm
<_QZ> hmm i should probably upgrade ghostview
<_QZ> my copy is from 95
<malificus> what don't you like about gv?
<malificus> if there is whitespace in your documents, complain to the document authors...not about gv...
06:50pm
<_QZ> there is a 2" whitespace border around the text of every ps file
<malificus> margins...
<_QZ> ya
<malificus> most every document has them...
<_QZ> well the font rendering is so crappy that i have to have the text part magnified to atleast 5-6" wide to read it and then the window is almost 10" wide
<_QZ> plus that 1" button bar on the left
07:00pm
<malificus> the font rendering is crappy?
<_QZ> ya
<malificus> i've just installed gv under win98...
<_QZ> the text looks like shit unless its big
<malificus> looking at a ps from the mach project...
<malificus> gs 5.03 gv 2.3
<malificus> looks fine to me.
<malificus> if you don't like the borders...change the media type...
<malificus> how the ps would look on paper of that type...
<_QZ> are u using gv or ghostview?
<malificus> gv == ghostview...?
07:20pm
<_QZ> no
<malificus> no?
<_QZ> no
<_QZ> gv != ghostview
<_QZ> i have both
<_QZ> i can only get gv to read some ps files
<_QZ> i have gv 2.9.4
<_QZ> ofcourse i only have gs 2.6.2 (4/19/95)
07:30pm
<malificus> ! i guess gv != ghostview.
<malificus> gv 3.5.8 seems current.
<malificus> ftp://ftpthep.physik.uni-mainz.de/pub/gv/unix/gv.history
<malificus> quite a few changes...
07:40pm
<_QZ> This is version 3.5.8 of gv, an X11 ghostscript frontend based on
<_QZ> Tim Theisen's ghostview 1.5.
<_QZ> ok i installed gv 3.5.8 and it had the same problem as gv 2.9.4 but it let me fix it
<_QZ> and gv 3.5.8 renders the ps exactly like ghostview so it must be ghostscripts fult
<_QZ> fault
07:50pm
<malificus> ....
08:00pm
<_QZ> wtf
<_QZ> i have gs 2.6.2 (4/19/95)
<_QZ> but lsm has gs 2.5.2 (1jan96)
<_QZ> where did u get 5.x from?
<malificus> gs for what platform?...
<malificus> gs is put out by aladdin...
<malificus> so, of course, for the lastest versions, check there first...
<_QZ> hmm
<_QZ> there is no dns for them
<malificus> yes there is.
<malificus> not sure where, offhand, but there is.
<malificus> http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/index.html
<malificus> not the main site, but listed in their readme...
<malificus> perhaps a link from there, not that it is needed.
<_QZ> hmm aladdin.com has dns but no ftp/www server
08:20pm
<_QZ> thanks
08:30pm
<malificus> gs 5.50 is current
<_QZ> ya thats what im getting now
08:40pm
<_QZ> why does gs need jpeg/png libs?
<_QZ> holy shit, aladdin doesnt believe in using directories in source code :)
08:50pm
<malificus> embedded images...
<malificus> and is no sub-directories a bad thing? :P
<_QZ> i have a directory listing with 13 columns of 81 rows and 1 column with 70 rows. thats 1123 files in a single directory :)
<_QZ> its really sad when i have to make rxvt fullscreen to see all the files
<malificus> ....
<malificus> and you extracted correctly?!
<_QZ> uhh ya
<malificus> ok.
09:00pm
<malificus> i don't know.
<malificus> but after the first hundred or so, i'd definitely reconsider...
09:10pm
<_QZ> man, this is giving me more warnings than all the programs i have ever compiled combined
<_QZ> about 100 per .c file
<malificus> !
<malificus> couldn't you have acquired a precompiled binary?
<malificus> and are you certain that you've extracted it correctly?
09:20pm
<_QZ> if i hadnt extracted it correctly then it would not have compiled
<malificus> no, it would've compiled with errors ;p
<_QZ> well i successfully compiled it
<_QZ> so its obviouslt extracted correctly
<malificus> but does it work?
<malificus> those might've been warnings, and not errors.
<_QZ> yes it works
<_QZ> well i installed the fonts for 5.5 and it still looks like shit
<_QZ> there we go
<_QZ> i guess it helps if i install the fonts correctly :)
<_QZ> no it has smoooooth text
<_QZ> now
09:30pm
<malificus> i gather that you are happier with reading, now that you've got better fonts.
<malificus> still the whitespace problem?
<_QZ> ya
<malificus> ya, which?
<_QZ> but now that the fonts are smooth i can make the text smaller
<_QZ> ya to the whitespace
<malificus> ....
<malificus> can you change the 'media' format?
<malificus> e.g. A4, 10x14, etc, paper sizes...
<_QZ> ya
09:40pm
<malificus> does changing the media format help at all w/ regard to the whitespace problem?
<_QZ> no
<malificus> :/
<_QZ> i just made it startup using .7 magnification to get the correct window size and then make it use 1.4 mag and it fills in the window without changing size
<malificus> then i suppose that the problem is with the document itself, setting the margins wider than you like them.
<malificus> if you print out, e.g., the first page of the document, the margins should proportionally match.
<malificus> onscreen and onprint.
<_QZ> i dont want margins
09:50pm
<malificus> that's not your choice.
<malificus> you did not author the document.
<_QZ> well thats the problem i have with it
<malificus> complain to the author. :)
<_QZ> and i fixed it using that magnification
<malificus> ps is really meant to be printed.
<malificus> dps is meant to be virtualized.
<_QZ> Fare: mal says i should bitch to YOU about YOUR lame .ps file :)
<malificus> my lame ps file?
<malificus> what ps file?
<_QZ> wasnt talking to u :)
<malificus> :p
<malificus> oops, fare's :)
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<_QZ> hola kor
<malificus> yeah, take your gripes to fare.
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<Kor> hi QZ
<dino> hellos
<malificus> hello kor, hello dino.
<_QZ> why is it that u 2 always join at the same time?
<_QZ> huh?
<Kor> we are voice as well
<Kor> that is on the phone
<malificus> why?
<_QZ> so u call up dino and say ok join... NOW
<Kor> _QZ: er, we were already voice, then I had to paste something via DCC chat
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[msg(TUNES)] newlog 1999.0304
IRC log ended Thu Mar  4 00:00:01 1999