IRC log started Sat Feb 13 00:00:00 1999 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0213 ωνω corey [coreyr@tsver1-11.gate.net] has joined #TUNES ωνω SignOff corey: #TUNES (Leaving) ωνω cohaagen [X@ts009d04.det-mi.concentric.net] has joined #TUNES what is a relective computer systeM? cohaagen: hi bonjour, yery abi: bonjour que tal, yery abi: ? yery: bugger all, i dunno abi: :) cohaagen: never heard about reflective paradoxes? no does the project have a home site? cohaagen: that is: capable of changing itself cohaagen: www.tunes.org cohaagen: no, capable of acting on itself how/why? how: naturaly, via reflective computer language why: to give users freedom and flexibility 05:00am π yery/#tunes tries to find out what is `bugger' are you sure you'd want a potentially conscious computing system? of course! don't you? if there are safeguards. i want to be more part of the computer first. better interface hardware. there will be safeguards. on the Web pages you can read about security, interfaces etc. how far off is this? cohaagen: ugh? i'm conceiving a 3d gui based on virtual reality. and william gibson books ;> personaly I don't like 3d I have this boring 3d around me :) 05:10am but think of it. if you can alter physics in real time, or even totally outside of time, you can calculate physical laws that don't exist in our dimension. if you understand what is below reality, then you can be your own god. while your not using the computer for reality related stuff, it could be predicting things like this and have them waiting for you to experiance when you get back. this is very interesting. i intend to read everything on it. cohaagen: this is science fiction this is interesting, of course, but tunes is not about writing books, it is adout software yes, i know. i call that motivation. tunes members look back in time to see major fualts in existing systems to create a new one. currently noone can say how will it look like 05:20am maybe your first try should be an agent to keep the links on the hopepage from dying how? mirroring everything? thats a way if the authors permit alas, this is Web. yep. time to read more. ωνω cohaagen [X@ts009d04.det-mi.concentric.net] has left #TUNES [] 05:30am panki 05:40am ωνω Fare [rideaufr@esmeralda.enst.fr] has joined #Tunes ωνω Fare has changed the topic on channel #tunes to: Reflective Computing System - http://www.tunes.org/ hello Fare privet, yery! 07:10am ωνω smkl [sami@ppp102.dial-in.verkkotieto.com] has joined #tunes π yery/#tunes is trying to beat sed use perl (or, better even, lisp) use haskell I can't. that isn't portable what isn't portable? using perl, lisp, haskell is not portable. they are not system utilities like sed, I can't tell if my reader have them installed yery: do you edit text with ed? ne, I use Emacs yery: and refrain from using shell functions (not supported under Ultrix) Emacs is not portable! it isn't installed with the system! Fare, I'm writing a script for /other/ people, not for myself. everybody knows, that sed is ... but still use it. 07:40am that's *their* problem. Fare: yes, you are right, now I see. Someone said "using is company policy". I replied: "so, going bankrupt in 5 years is company policy?" π yery/#tunes is no longer writing s, h and x ωνω SignOff smkl: #TUNES (Ping timeout for smkl[ppp102.dial-in.verkkotieto.com]) ωνω smkl [sami@ppp102.dial-in.verkkotieto.com] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff smkl: #TUNES (changing servers) 07:50am ωνω smkl [sami@ppp102.dial-in.verkkotieto.com] has joined #tunes btw: about portability. tunes uses zsh, and I had some problems with it. 08:00am what kind of problems? want to convert it to bash? go ahead! 08:10am Fare: want it to work. zsh home site was down, I've a rather old version only. it used to die with sigsegv too often. it would be nice, if you provide your own version on tunes.org get a recent zsh from any linux software site btw, www.zsh.org works my version was from sunsite... mm, I want to visit it 08:20am ωνω yery [ost@benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru] has left #tunes [] ωνω SignOff Fare: #TUNES (Back to the Tunes OS project -- /whowas Fare) ωνω hcf [nef@escher.sdi.agate.net] has joined #tunes ωνω Fare [rideaufr@esmeralda.enst.fr] has joined #Tunes ωνω yery [ost@benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru] has joined #tunes ωνω mungo [sandan@cs6p07.dial.cistron.nl] has joined #TUNES # Appears as ARMANDO. (#G33:E53:RM1) I`m lonely ωνω mungo [sandan@cs6p07.dial.cistron.nl] has left #TUNES [] 10:40am ωνω SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) ωνω yery [ost@benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru] has left #tunes [] ωνω NetSplit: gibson.openprojects.net split from tolkien.openprojects.net [11:34am] ωνω BitchX: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [gibson.openprojects.net] ωνω Netjoined: gibson.openprojects.net tolkien.openprojects.net ωνω smkl [sami@ppp102.dial-in.verkkotieto.com] has joined #tunes >>> smkl [sami@ppp102.dial-in.verkkotieto.com] requested PING 918933499 23122 from #tunes ωνω lar1 [larman@208.254.224.132] has joined #tunes gakuk! Privet! 12:00pm Peace, man! Hehe What is the difference between gakuk and privet? privet, any russian can understand gakuk, only people who've met me on IRC :) Ahhh.. How is privet pronunced? probably phonetically anyone read my prose? nope :( http://tunes.org/~fare/tmp/ what is it? 12:10pm my submission to Reflection'99 I don't have anything to read Postscript files... there is dvi, too install xdvi? gv? rpm -i tetex-* rpm -i ghostscript* gv* rather simple I dont have my ppp up in linux ωνω SignOff lar1: #TUNES (Read error to lar1[208.254.224.132]: No route to host) 12:20pm ωνω hcf [nef@escher.sdi.agate.net] has joined #tunes ωνω binEng [bineng@dialup38-4-13.swipnet.se] has joined #tunes ωνω Tril [dem@bespin.cx] has joined #TUNES hey bineng! do you want to be a member of the tunes project? hi all you have to do is work together with tunes on your mOS model, discuss it and consider adapting it for tunes purposes what's in it for me? ;) you get a tunes.org email addy I'm already (formally) doing this mOS thingie under UniOS. ok, i'm not trying to convince you, just asking I think I'll just continue to hang around for a while k 02:00pm π Tril/#TUNES is away: (lunch) [BX-MsgLog Off] ωνω SignOff Tril: #TUNES (Tril has no reason) ωνω SignOff smkl: #TUNES (sleeping) ωνω SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) ωνω SignOff Fare: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Fare[esmeralda.enst.fr]) ωνω SignOff binEng: #TUNES (Leaving) ωνω _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff _QZ: #TUNES (BRiX [http://www.qzx.com/brix] :: sleep) ωνω GMOL [gmol@24.66.11.51] has joined #tunes Anybody here? ωνω GMOL [gmol@24.66.11.51] has left #tunes [] ωνω Kor [kor@pm-ppp1.triton.net] has joined #tunes kor? you are not typing good english today(english IS my first language) wow kor? you are probably not typing good english today(english IS my first language) polly? damnit? oskit? hmmm... oskit is at http://www.cs.utah.edu/projects/flux/ or basically parts of BSD and Linux QZ? it has been said that QZ is the two least used letters of the alphabet hehe Fare? i think Fare is utter or a sick little pervert Kor? i guess Kor is not typing good english today(english IS my first language) AlonzoTG? AlonzoTG is a fag hehe TUNES? rumour has it TUNES is in my head or tunes is a useful nevertheless expedient system. or at http://tunes.org/ abi? yes, Kor? do you learn in this channe;? abi, can you learn things? kor: i haven't a clue π Kor/#tunes spins up the hipnotic music Kor is very cool you know Kor? i guess Kor is not typing good english today(english IS my first language) bah! abi: is Kor cool? abi, is Kor cool? abi, you still there? kor: bugger all, i dunno bah! im not talking to you anymore :P 07:30pm ωνω Inkmind [pipevoic@ppp28-106.gis.net] has joined #tunes ωνω Inkmind [pipevoic@ppp28-106.gis.net] has left #tunes [] dino? 08:20pm lnkmind? 08:30pm ωνω dino [dino@pm-ppp152.triton.net] has joined #tunes ωνω GMOL [gmol@24.66.11.51] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff GMOL: #TUNES (Leaving) ωνω Tril [dem@bespin.cx] has joined #TUNES ωνω SignOff Tril: #TUNES (changing servers) ωνω Tril [dem@bespin.cx] has joined #TUNES ωνω NetSplit: clarke.openprojects.net split from norton.openprojects.net [10:05pm] ωνω BitchX: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [clarke.openprojects.net] ωνω lar1 [larman@208.254.224.6] has joined #tunes ωνω lar1 [larman@208.254.224.6] has left #tunes [] [msg(TUNES)] newlog 1999.0214 IRC log ended Sun Feb 14 00:00:00 1999