IRC log started Thu Jan 28 00:00:00 1999 [msg(TUNES)] permlog 1999.0128 ωνω SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.ml.org]) ωνω abi [nef@bespin.ml.org] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.ml.org]) ωνω abi [nef@bespin.ml.org] has joined #tunes ωνω hcf [nef@escher.sdi.agate.net] has joined #tunes ωνω Connection closed from irc.us.openprojects.net: Success ωνω Use /Server to connect to a server ωνω Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] ωνω BitchX: For more information about BitchX type /about ωνω Welcome to the Internet Relay Network TUNES (from crichton.openprojects.net) ωνω Your host is crichton.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.04.resolv9.nmt.egcs4.tok.pten.tlim4.admin.upper4.whisper3.gipl.modeless7 (from crichton.openprojects.net) ωνω This server was cobbled together Sat Jan 23 1999 at 21 33:38 EST(from crichton.openprojects.net) ωνω crichton.openprojects.net u2.10.04.resolv9.nmt.egcs4.tok.pten.tlim4.admin.upper4.whisper3.gipl.modeless7 dioswkfcg biklmnopstv ωνω [local users on irc(9)] 11% ωνω [global users on irc(21)] 26% ωνω [invisible users on irc(61)] 74% ωνω [ircops on irc(3)] 4% ωνω [total users on irc(82)] ωνω [unknown connections(0)] ωνω [total servers on irc(14)] (avg. 5 users per server) ωνω [total channels created(32)] (avg. 2 users per channel) !crichton.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 17 (16 clients) ωνω Mode change [+f] for user TUNES ωνω Mode change [+iw] for user TUNES ωνω TUNES [tunes@bespin.ml.org] has joined #tunes ωνω [Users(#TUNES:1)] [@TUNES ] ωνω Channel #TUNES was created at Thu Jan 28 06:36:57 1999 ωνω BitchX: Join to #tunes was synced in 7.315 secs!! ωνω abi [nef@bespin.ml.org] has joined #TUNES ωνω hcf [nef@escher.sdi.agate.net] has joined #TUNES ωνω ServerMode/#TUNES [+n] by carter.openprojects.net ωνω ServerMode/#TUNES [-o TUNES] by carter.openprojects.net ωνω NetSplit: varley.openprojects.net split from carter.openprojects.net [01:53am] ωνω BitchX: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [varley.openprojects.net] ωνω Netjoined: varley.openprojects.net carter.openprojects.net ωνω abi [nef@bespin.ml.org] has joined #TUNES ωνω Closing Link: TUNES[bespin.ml.org] by crichton.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for TUNES[bespin.ml.org]) ωνω Connection closed from irc.us.openprojects.net: Success ωνω Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] ωνω BitchX: For more information about BitchX type /about ωνω Welcome to the Internet Relay Network TUNES (from forward.openprojects.net) ωνω Your host is forward.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.04.resolv9.nmt.egcs4.tok.pten.tlim4.admin.upper4.whisper3.gipl.modeless7 (from forward.openprojects.net) ωνω This server was cobbled together Sat Jan 23 1999 at 21 33:38 EST(from forward.openprojects.net) ωνω forward.openprojects.net u2.10.04.resolv9.nmt.egcs4.tok.pten.tlim4.admin.upper4.whisper3.gipl.modeless7 dioswkfcg biklmnopstv ωνω [local users on irc(8)] 5% ωνω [global users on irc(56)] 32% ωνω [invisible users on irc(121)] 68% ωνω [ircops on irc(12)] 7% ωνω [total users on irc(177)] ωνω [unknown connections(0)] ωνω [total servers on irc(28)] (avg. 6 users per server) ωνω [total channels created(57)] (avg. 3 users per channel) !forward.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 20 (16 clients) ωνω Mode change [+f] for user TUNES ωνω Mode change [+iw] for user TUNES ωνω TUNES [tunes@bespin.ml.org] has joined #tunes ωνω [Users(#TUNES:2)] [ TUNES ] [ abi ] ωνω Channel #TUNES was created at Wed Dec 30 09:08:43 1998 ωνω BitchX: Join to #tunes was synced in 3.743 secs!! ωνω SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.ml.org]) ωνω abi [nef@bespin.ml.org] has joined #tunes ωνω NetSplit: varley.openprojects.net split from koontz.openprojects.net [02:47am] ωνω BitchX: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [varley.openprojects.net] ωνω Netjoined: varley.openprojects.net koontz.openprojects.net ωνω abi [nef@bespin.ml.org] has joined #TUNES ωνω SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.ml.org]) ωνω abi [nef@bespin.ml.org] has joined #tunes ωνω lraiser [torellip@arena.sci.univr.it] has joined #tunes hello 03:20am anybody alive? [lraiser(torellip@arena.sci.univr.it)] hello ωνω SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.ml.org]) ωνω abi [nef@bespin.ml.org] has joined #tunes 03:30am ωνω SignOff lraiser: #TUNES (Ping timeout for lraiser[arena.sci.univr.it]) ωνω Fare [rideaufr@esmeralda.enst.fr] has joined #Tunes ωνω SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.ml.org]) ωνω abi [nef@bespin.ml.org] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.ml.org]) ωνω abi [nef@bespin.ml.org] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.ml.org]) ωνω abi [nef@bespin.ml.org] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.ml.org]) ωνω abi [nef@bespin.ml.org] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff Fare: #TUNES (Back to the Tunes OS project -- /whowas Fare) ωνω SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.ml.org]) ωνω abi [nef@bespin.ml.org] has joined #tunes ωνω TMF [s720@trips.ii.uib.no] has joined #tunes ωνω NetSplit: devlin.openprojects.net split from carter.openprojects.net [07:33am] ωνω BitchX: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [devlin.openprojects.net] ωνω Netjoined: devlin.openprojects.net carter.openprojects.net ωνω TMF [s720@trips.ii.uib.no] has joined #TUNES ωνω Fare [rideaufr@esmeralda.enst.fr] has joined #Tunes gakuk! 07:50am !doogie:*! I hope that helps !doogie:*! king and koontz were connected and running fine last nite. !doogie:*! the net seems more stable, but as to its efficiency, I will have to bow to higher powers. ωνω yery [ost@benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru] has joined #tunes hi 08:30am -lilo(lilo@varley.openprojects.net)- [GlobalNotice] Hi all. It appears there have been some serious backbone problems happening since yesterday. Please bear with us. hi, I have a small unix question: when reading from stdin like a file, how do I send EOF? you don't man read read replies the number of bytes read. If it's 0, then that's EOF nooooo, that makes things sooo much more complicated that's POSIX, man! 09:10am or you use stdio, and use feof (beware of stdio buffering) anyway, you shouldn't be using C for that use LISP, OCAML, Perl, or GUILE, the EOF thing is what stands between a interactive TML and a not interactive one:( C-d ? but I can write my way out of it, somehow. TMF: 1) wrap it in a higher-level API 2) use either direct posix, or sfio ok, thanks, I'll look into it ωνω SignOff yery: #TUNES (Leaving) 09:20am fare, now I'm using scanf(), but it looks like bufferig trouble how do I reset the io buffers? TMF: less /usr/incl*/stdio.h ( it reads once, and then fizzles ) what are you trying to do, eaxctly? I'm createing a commandline for TML where writes ( <>'s ) go to stdout and redefines ( []'s ) write to files :) don't use scanf for that -- it's Certain Death(TM) what's the alternative? i think the alternative is Saturday read abi: haha! Fare: dont bust a gut there porky abi: forget the alternative Fare: I forgot alternative is is is abi: is is is, like, not iz but is is hahaha! abi, well certain death is an alternative :) don't use sscanf you're using too low-level a tool don't use C. make your prototype in LISP, or in OCAML I've got 1500 lines if anyone feels like converting :| learning caml would be good to you, too! I just want to do this tiny thing. I should be possible - even in C C makes me feel real stupid, sometimes man read rtfm, I know 10:00am !lilo:*! Hi all. Does anyone have linkbot source we can use from our main server? Please stop by #openprojects. (Hint: to avoid seeing these messages, /umode -w) ahhh - found it! a word of advice: don't close stdout :D 10:20am ωνω Tril [dem@bespin.ml.org] has joined #TUNES Tril: I had chmod a+w /usr/tmp/.pop so as to get pop3 to work -- bad bad bad 10:30am got cable at home :) abi: abi? i guess i am the little girl borg with a big brain or #tunes' personal little whore or an infoslut or gaklosmontic or flurivostuginuous or xyvarestoplik or crapulmaniac or or Tril: back from ll99 :) ωνω Closing Link: TUNES[bespin.ml.org] by forward.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for TUNES[bespin.ml.org]) ωνω Connection closed from irc.us.openprojects.net: Success ωνω Use /Server to connect to a server ωνω Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] ωνω BitchX: For more information about BitchX type /about ωνω Welcome to the Internet Relay Network TUNES (from king.openprojects.net) ωνω Your host is king.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.04.resolv9.nmt.egcs4.tok.pten.tlim4.admin.upper4.whisper3.gipl.modeless7 (from king.openprojects.net) ωνω This server was cobbled together Sat Jan 23 1999 at 21 33:38 EST(from king.openprojects.net) ωνω king.openprojects.net u2.10.04.resolv9.nmt.egcs4.tok.pten.tlim4.admin.upper4.whisper3.gipl.modeless7 dioswkfcg biklmnopstv ωνω [local users on irc(5)] 2% ωνω [global users on irc(76)] 36% ωνω [invisible users on irc(134)] 64% ωνω [ircops on irc(13)] 6% ωνω [total users on irc(210)] ωνω [unknown connections(0)] ωνω [total servers on irc(28)] (avg. 7 users per server) ωνω [total channels created(58)] (avg. 3 users per channel) !king.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 12 (10 clients) ωνω Mode change [+f] for user TUNES ωνω Mode change [+iw] for user TUNES ωνω TUNES [tunes@bespin.ml.org] has joined #tunes ωνω [Users(#TUNES:5)] [ TUNES ] [ Tril ] [ abi ] [ TMF ] [ Fare ] ωνω Channel #TUNES was created at Wed Dec 30 09:08:43 1998 ωνω BitchX: Join to #tunes was synced in 6.793 secs!! 10:40am hi hey, Tril Fare- I couldn't figure out what was wrong, and only one person complained that mail didn't work. When I started the machine, there was no tmp/.pop directory in existence. Did you notice /usr/tmp and /var/tmp are symlinks to /tmp? Maybe pop is stupid and doesn't like it. Tril: I made it as should, now it's ok no, it wanted group +w .pop is supposed to be writable by all? Don't you mean +t? what group?? root now it's ok π Fare/#Tunes now needs a router/server for his home LAN. hum. Will that be a PC or a netwinder? a PC looks cheaper Fare: does tunes Makefile ever erase files in ../html? never, afaik The Review project was still messed up, I had to rm a bunch of stuff but you may add a target to do it Well, I wanted to be sure a file would always be in the html even if someone removed it and re-made doc, so I put a /missing.html in CVS, even though I'd rather have a symlink to /serv/w3/missing.html I think Review should be on its own domain review.tunes.org, and not in CVS at all, so Ultima can do what he wants to it Or at least in a different CVS module? couldn't you rather add a rule in httpd.conf, so that missing.html points to another place in the fs? Tril: WHEN ultima has his stuff done, sure not before ErrorDocument is a global option, and it specifies a URL path, not a file maybe I can put it in each VirtualHost section but it would still be a URL path I think I can make review.tunes.org point to /~ultima/review now, and have him write to that But not link to it from the tunes page until it's ready sure, so that URL may be configured in httpd.conf or such to be fetched from some other file 10:50am Alias /missing.html /usr/etzet/sdfgiyerg/missing.html OK, I just changed it to a full URL not just a local redirect. I'll remove missing.html from CVS. (it goes in the Attic/ now) gotta go (dinner) bye! ωνω SignOff Fare: #TUNES (dinner) tril, I'm writing the read-eval-loop now! cool! but I have a problem :( I cannot get C to read the whole user input line into a string it separates on spaces I had that problem also. Even when using fgets! I gave up. I'm about to! (other projects, not in TML) I'm sure it's a UNIX tty thing. You have to set the terminal to cooked mode. But I don't know how. maybe it's in the ioctl. ioctl is a dumping ground for many features. I hoped it would be easy! can you just read characters one at a time until newline? don't really know well, this problem frustrated me, although it might be easy for some expert. shall we raid #C and #unix on efnet? err, #unixhelp or whatever.. no unix questions in #unix I think I'll try to fgets until linefeed 11:00am gotta go to school..back in 3 hrs ωνω SignOff Tril: #TUNES (bye) 11:10am For the record: mission accomplished - TML\TOOL is now interactive! bibi ωνω SignOff TMF: #TUNES (Leaving) 11:30am ωνω hcf [nef@escher.sdi.agate.net] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff abi: #TUNES (Ping timeout for abi[bespin.ml.org]) ωνω Closing Link: TUNES[bespin.ml.org] by king.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for TUNES[bespin.ml.org]) ωνω Connection closed from irc.us.openprojects.net: Success ωνω Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] ωνω Unable to connect to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net: unknown host ωνω Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] ωνω Unable to connect to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net: unknown host ωνω Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] ωνω Unable to connect to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net: unknown host ωνω Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] ωνω Unable to connect to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net: unknown host ωνω BitchX: Servers exhausted. 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[11] ωνω Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] ωνω Unable to connect to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net: unknown host ωνω Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] ωνω Unable to connect to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net: unknown host ωνω BitchX: Servers exhausted. Restarting. [12] ωνω Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] ωνω Unable to connect to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net: unknown host ωνω Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] ωνω Unable to connect to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net: unknown host ωνω BitchX: Servers exhausted. Restarting. [13] ωνω Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] ωνω Unable to connect to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net: unknown host ωνω Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] ωνω Unable to connect to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net: unknown host ωνω BitchX: Servers exhausted. Restarting. [14] ωνω Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] ωνω Unable to connect to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net: unknown host ωνω Connecting to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net [refnum 0] ωνω Unable to connect to port 6667 of server irc.us.openprojects.net: unknown host ωνω BitchX: Servers exhausted. Restarting. 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[58] ωνω BitchX: For more information about BitchX type /about ωνω Welcome to the Internet Relay Network TUNES (from carter.openprojects.net) ωνω Your host is carter.openprojects.net, running version u2.10.04.resolv9.nmt.egcs4.tok.pten.tlim4.admin.upper4.whisper3.gipl.modeless7 (from carter.openprojects.net) ωνω This server was cobbled together Sat Jan 23 1999 at 21 33:38 EST(from carter.openprojects.net) ωνω carter.openprojects.net u2.10.04.resolv9.nmt.egcs4.tok.pten.tlim4.admin.upper4.whisper3.gipl.modeless7 dioswkfcg biklmnopstv ωνω [local users on irc(10)] 29% ωνω [global users on irc(17)] 50% ωνω [invisible users on irc(17)] 50% ωνω [ircops on irc(0)] 0% ωνω [total users on irc(34)] ωνω [unknown connections(0)] ωνω [total servers on irc(5)] (avg. 6 users per server) ωνω [total channels created(17)] (avg. 2 users per channel) !carter.openprojects.net Highest connection count: 33 (24 clients) ωνω Mode change [+f] for user TUNES ωνω Mode change [+iw] for user TUNES ωνω TUNES [tunes@bespin.ml.org] has joined #tunes ωνω [Users(#TUNES:1)] [@TUNES ] ωνω Channel #TUNES was created at Thu Jan 28 20:53:47 1999 ωνω BitchX: Join to #tunes was synced in 13.861 secs!! ωνω hcf [nef@escher.sdi.agate.net] has joined #TUNES ωνω Tril [dem@140.160.210.24] has joined #TUNES ωνω _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #TUNES ωνω Yery [ost@benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru] has joined #TUNES ωνω ServerMode/#TUNES [+n] by koontz.openprojects.net ωνω ServerMode/#TUNES [-o TUNES] by koontz.openprojects.net naturaly, ffke-campus-gw.mipt.ru 04:10pm hmm inktomi has been crawling on tunes i think u guys are making it up. neither of you has accessed the page recently Tril: today is recently? ωνω tydan [ost@benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff Yery: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Yery[benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru]) <_QZ> i just emailed my buddy at micron ωνω tydan is now known as Yery <_QZ> he's gonna get me a good deal on a netframe 9200 04:20pm <_QZ> 4 p2-450 xeons 2meg L2 each, 8gig ram (in 32 dimms), hot swappable up the ass, 4 64bit pci, 6 32bit pci and 1 isa <_QZ> gee i like this radio station, "this may not be yer favorite song, but then again u may not be our favorite listener" ωνω GMOL [gmol@24.66.11.51] has joined #tunes 04:30pm ie doesnt change the URL shown when it is given a redirect by the server...ie is lame 04:40pm ωνω NetSplit: koontz.openprojects.net split from carter.openprojects.net [04:44pm] ωνω BitchX: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [koontz.openprojects.net] ωνω Netjoined: koontz.openprojects.net carter.openprojects.net ωνω hcf [nef@escher.sdi.agate.net] has joined #TUNES ωνω Tril [dem@140.160.210.24] has joined #TUNES ωνω _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #TUNES ωνω GMOL [gmol@24.66.11.51] has joined #TUNES ωνω NetSplit: koontz.openprojects.net split from carter.openprojects.net [05:03pm] ωνω BitchX: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [koontz.openprojects.net] ωνω Netjoined: koontz.openprojects.net carter.openprojects.net ωνω hcf [nef@escher.sdi.agate.net] has joined #TUNES ωνω Tril [dem@140.160.210.24] has joined #TUNES ωνω _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #TUNES ωνω NetSplit: koontz.openprojects.net split from carter.openprojects.net [05:17pm] ωνω BitchX: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [koontz.openprojects.net] ωνω Netjoined: koontz.openprojects.net carter.openprojects.net ωνω hcf [nef@escher.sdi.agate.net] has joined #TUNES ωνω Tril [dem@140.160.210.24] has joined #TUNES ωνω _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #TUNES ωνω Tril has changed the topic on channel #TUNES to: http://tunes.org/ ωνω Fare [rideaufr@esmeralda.enst.fr] has joined #Tunes yery: bonjour! ωνω Tril has changed the topic on channel #TUNES to: intermittent network problems downstream of tunes.org be patient this service is free tril: thanks to waren us gotta go (sleep) ωνω SignOff Fare: #TUNES (Back to the Tunes OS project -- /whowas Fare) 05:30pm ωνω SignOff Tril: #TUNES (Read error to Tril[140.160.210.24]: EOF from client) ωνω NetSplit: koontz.openprojects.net split from carter.openprojects.net [05:48pm] ωνω BitchX: Press Ctrl-F to see who left Ctrl-E to change to [koontz.openprojects.net] ωνω Netjoined: koontz.openprojects.net carter.openprojects.net ωνω hcf [nef@escher.sdi.agate.net] has joined #TUNES ωνω _QZ [brand@p0wer.qzx.com] has joined #TUNES ωνω tcn [tcn@cci-209150250115.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes hoy tcn <_QZ> kewl i got aros to add index.php3 to the default page list yay! 06:10pm later ωνω SignOff tcn: #TUNES (tcn has no reason) <_QZ> hcf: what are the names of some text-only browsers <_QZ> other than lynx <_QZ> and do u have any of them? Emacs/W3 <_QZ> Yery: do u have that? yes <_QZ> could u goto http://www.qzx.com/test.php3 and tell me what it says? _QZ: besides of none besides: lynx, emacs, w3's www 06:30pm wait.. tables are nice, but the right sides are white on light grey hard to read the tables look like crap in lynx also, "Apache Environment" table is too wide <_QZ> oh damnit <_QZ> reload that page 06:40pm "environment" is too wide too, it's PATH set foreground color to white <_QZ> if u reload that page it should only give the browser name hmm. aha. cache it says Emacs-W3/4.0pre.38 URL/p4.0pre.38 (i586-pc-linux-gnu; X11) <_QZ> ok now try out www.qzx.com fgcolor sjould be black. of course, sorry <_QZ> emacs-w3 does color? yes, color, style sheets, and even images in XEmacs but i have Emacs, so it's text-only <_QZ> oh www.qzx.com is ok <_QZ> ah what is ? <_QZ> its a
that will follow an image to the bottom and then break to the left w3 doen't know that. it prints =left <_QZ> blah1
blah2
blah3 <_QZ> blah 1 and 2 will be to the right of the image, blah3 will be under the image and to the left then you've missed a space 06:50pm on /brix <_QZ> ah thanks <_QZ> good browsers will skip tags they dont understand this browsing is good for debugging :) <_QZ> hehe <_QZ> well dont bother debugging any of my pages yet <_QZ> i am converting them from html to php3 yay! <_QZ> php3 <_QZ> hcf: shut up :) _QZ: the "look" of the site wont change rite? <_QZ> yes <_QZ> it will become much more lynx friendly also any new content? <_QZ> ya <_QZ> and a search whatcha using for searching? or does php do that too <_QZ> ya yay! 07:00pm ωνω iStormy [stormy@rain.futuresouth.com] has joined #tunes <_QZ> welcome hilo nehilo 07:20pm ωνω SignOff hcf: #TUNES (Leaving) ωνω SignOff iStormy: #TUNES (iStormy has no reason) ωνω Tril [dem@ppp334.whatcom.pacificrim.net] has joined #tunes ωνω SignOff Yery: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Yery[benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru]) ωνω Beholder [beholder@ppp-018.m2-1.sub.ican.net] has joined #tunes <_QZ> hola Hey Tril, how are you tonight? hey beho ok I'm reading the prism spec <_QZ> prism? So what do you think so far? abi, prism? ωνω Yery [ost@benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru] has joined #tunes QZ: Much like Tunes ideals oh, bespin's network is down _QZ: http://www.teleport.com/~sphere/ Tril: Crappy... is it a config problem, or a bandwidth provider problem? bespin is at nas.com. nas.com gets bandwidth from wa.com. wa.com is messing up really bad. Hence bespin,nas, and probably all the other customers of wa.com are experiencing lameness. it might actually work, just really slow right now. TCP doesn't seem to like it. Tril: Ahh... not good. Apperently Surenet (provider of bandwidth for the *PENDING* ;) UniOS server), is not very reliable also... the packets are going through.. just delayed 10 seconds i think TCP handshakes faster than that, and the windows are smaller, etc Tril: How do you do virtual servers on a linux machine? email or www? T: WWW there are some lines you put in an Apache config file and that's it. T: Do you need multiple IP's? nope. Cool. Linux is very nice as a server You can use multiple IPs if you have them. That used to be the only way to do it. But apache implemented "Name virtual hosting" rather than IP virtual hosting. Apache was either first, or the first major one, I dunno. i hear freebsd does well too This works out very good for me, because the "political" crap I have to go through to get an extra IP would be a nightmare The college is security paranoid. I'm planning to get debian, redhat, netbsd, freebsd, and openbsd to try on my box this Saturday (at the installfest) 08:00pm Just to give em a test run? I used FreeBSD quite extensively when I worked for an ISP, it's very stable <_QZ> man im glad qzx.com is hosted on a reliable server :) I should look at other linux distros, too, Stampede. yeah, just to try them out. I feel kind of isolated only knowing Slackware :) _QZ: be precise, a reliable *network* ! My server rules. ωνω SignOff Yery: #TUNES (Ping timeout for Yery[benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru]) We had a Linux (2.1.0) machine running the mail server for a very long time, but when we hit 3000+ users, it was useless. Crashed (and very slow) on a regular basis (almost once a day). So we moved to FreeBSD... 4000+ users without blinking <_QZ> Tril: i dont think so <_QZ> Tril: bespin is running linux 4000 users with accounts? <_QZ> Tril: qzx.com is running freebs <_QZ> freebsd <_QZ> those 4000 shell acounts are on shell.aros.net Tril: Yep it was awsome to watch about 400 people at a time getting mail :) After I try all the distros, I will choose one of them to install on bespin It was only POP3 based mail, but the Linux machine choked (probably just because it was an older Red Hat) Red Hat is nice, configuration is done mostly in X or maybe I will switch to NT! HAHAHAHAAHA <_QZ> ya right Tril: Don't even go there... heretic... ;) <_QZ> do u plan on changing the name bespin to crashalot? I wonder how well an nt box could do what bespin does not What does/can bespin not do? <_QZ> hotmail runs freebsd, M$ buys hotmail and converts to NT, hotmail crashes ALOT, M$ converts hotmail back to freebsd i mean the amount of stuff it does ... that NT (ick) can? <_QZ> u tell me if nt can do what bespin does :) i know nothing about NT. It has a web server that sucks, i know. can I get a standard SMTP server, or do I need to use ms mail/exchange or some lame stuff? Tril: I'd try it just for an experiment... I'd love to know what happens :) <_QZ> Tril: dont do nt Tril: I know NT ... extensively... have fun setting up shell access :) heheheeh! <_QZ> trust me man <_QZ> i use nt everyday I will switch bespin over to NT, then it will work so well I will start my own ISP based entirely on NT. Then I'll program NT softare and become wealthy. I'd rather set up clementine to run as a server... rather than NT... probably more stable ;) <_QZ> friends dont let friends use NT :) <_QZ> i should get a bumper sticker made that says that _QZ: not even as a joke for 1 day? April 1st seems like a good day to run NT QZ: We'll have to go to Washington and beat him until he comes back to the... light side :) I'll keep it on a separate partition and boot to it every April 1st 08:10pm the lag to bespin is slowly going down. 7 seconds.. 6.5... NT worked better in 3.51... Back when it was (almost) a microkernel <_QZ> Tril: install beos BEOS ISNT MULTI USER fool :) sorry they will never catch up to linux Tril: It has a web server... and SMTP :) an OS written in C++? <_QZ> oh my god, they made this device that lets ppl breath when buried in snow Tril: Which OS is written in C++? <_QZ> but beos has shell access <_QZ> so we can all telnet in <_QZ> u said that u once let ppl dialup to yer box and format yer drive <_QZ> u can run beos from cd with a floppy QZ: Yeah... and after you, me, and Tril log in... we can make it crawl to a halt :) yeah, one at a time. I only had one user who ever did it, too <_QZ> they wont have access to yer drives well, let's get TUNES running on bespin asap, ok? or UniOS or brix if they are done before tunes Tril: Ok, I'll write the Kernel right now, and I think QZ can give us some boot code... 5 min... thats all we need... well maybe 6, someone is gonna have to write networking code... hehehe get to work Tril: Already done, I'm writing a GUI at the moment... really? what is your gui like (hmm, i am distracting you from programming) π Beholder/#tunes codes so fast that his files blow up, and he loses everything... now he's back to planning stage :) how goes the coordinating a lot of people replied to the "What are you doing?" post, congratulations Slow for now. No mails, means no coordinating. No mails are due to a lack (on my part probably) of more documents and ideas to discuss now are you going to put them on a page or something 08:20pm Tril: Yep, I'm just waiting until everyone can get around to replying (unless everyone already has?) only one i know left is Fare. I can tell you what he is doing. Ok then, how do I list stuff that is being done, but is not Tunes? Like the Merlin project? Going to conferences and presenting papers. Being a liberal intellectual elite wannabe Thats all Merlin is?! Thats sad. No, that's what Fare's doing. Oh, I think I'll reword that :) ωνω Yery [ost@benetnash.ffke-campus.mipt.ru] has joined #tunes we should make a "related projects" or "sister projects" page to list them <_QZ> there's a good chance that yahoo just bought YOUR home page Should it follow the same binEng format? say, "these projects are independent but highly relevant to the tunes ideals" Ok, can I FTP from/to ~Bineng? sure use your login and it should let you write to it. Ok, getting it now. _QZ: no, that only applies to GOOD home pages. I hope. Beholder: hey the ping just went down. COOL Leech bespin quick! ωνω Tril has changed the topic on channel #TUNES to: quick thrash on bespin while it's still up! Trying!!! Damit!! :) <_QZ> ah, yahoo bought geocities 1936 packets transmitted, 1850 packets received, 4% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 210.8/6540.8/13131.2 ms I don't have access to bineng? Beholder: cd /users/bineng/html Got it you probably don't have access to /users/bineng. I set the home dirs unreadable by default. Actually you should be able to cd there, just not get a listing of files. (chmod 711 ~) 08:30pm Yep, I'm working on the file this very moment, and I should have it uploaded in 5-10 min can debian update be run auto (non-interactively)? So fare is just doing the academic stuff right now? yeah, he's busy with papers. he just got done with LL'99 and now has to write a paper in like a day and go to Reflection'99 you read the metaprogramming article right that's the one he presented at ll99, not very many people listend to him present it In addition, Fare is backlogged in Tunes mail >100 messages, so he can't really contribute I don't see why, since he has many laptops, he should be able to read his email while on the bus, on the plane, the train, the cab... maybe he is just dumb. <_QZ> heh Fare sorry for that comment. π Beholder/#tunes wonders when fare is gonna jump out of nowhere and lay a beating on all of us for questioning his genious... :) that's "genius" isn't it? <_QZ> ya do you use some kind of British spelling? I don't think there is one.. 08:40pm ΗΕΞΙΚ what is the option for bitchx to switch to cyrillic? don't know. i use ircII and use /set trans russian Tril: Canada uses some wierd spelling... just not that word... it was wrong :) test I'm up to Basile! :) Only 5 more to go Y MENR NET HOPYCCKU letters!!! Tril: you are doomed to discuss spellings... :) i dont even know a standard romanization... Yery: do you have Cyrillic console Linux font?? how does that work, SVGA? yes is that what the code pages are for in 2.1 and up? like any other, in vga too how about CGA. :( or through telnet maybe in cga don't know. slackware comes with cyrillic fonts 4 People done... only 3 more to go :) you will see whatever font is on your side 08:50pm horosho neploho :) Yeary: are you a member of Tunes with a project? Beholder: no Oleg is one of those lurkers who writes a post every once in a while :) Yery:do you have an OS project? Tril: no :) I think _QZ should be added to the associates page I agree... I'm flaunting my own OS project on this page, he should be allowed also :) <_QZ> 'associates'? ωνω tcn [tcn@cci-209150250091.clarityconnect.net] has joined #tunes <_QZ> maybe i should be told what this apage is about first :) _QZ, http://tunes.org/list/tunes/9901/msg00148.html i'm interested in languages not OSes QZ: It lists all people associated with the Tunes project (members) and states what they are currently working hi TCN! QZ: Doesn't have to be Tunes "What are you doing and how serious are you about it" they're not really members they are related projects Oh, putting up the prototypes page. cool they are tunes members to varying degrees :) _QZ don't miss a chance to get a link to the brix page heh Tril: I don't have the "are you serious part" everyone who answered say yes, so I just list the people who answered. Beholder: Of course. I should have known. Why would anyone not serious reply to the message? :-) How come Fare has to write so many papers? Is he a grad student or something? 09:00pm yeah, grad student equivalent, or higher, I'm not sure exactly what university is like in France He should submit the metaprogramming article he wrote for ll99 to reflection'99 π Tril/#TUNES snickers he has a reflection article, though Ok, done, I'm UL'ing it right now π tcn/#tunes is slowly getting a grip on meta-things :) http://www2.tunes.org/~bineng/member_projects.html tcn, reading about Prism? :) Oh damn... I forgot Tril in the list... Beholder: can you make a link from ~bineng/index.html or ~bineng/tunes.html? hey! :P Sorry Tril, I'll download the index page and link it that way Actually, I think the Tunes.html makes more sense Tril: nah, haven't look at prism yet.. I'm just getting used to seeing meta- prefixed to so many words I could become a metagenius if I read all of Godel Escher Bach :) Tril: Is your real name David? 09:10pm π Tril/#TUNES counts on his fingers: debian,redhat,netbsd,freebsd,openbsd,stampede,turbolinux yeah you will see that at the end of all my e-mail messages (but not at the top) <_QZ> anyone have a gfx browser here? Beholder: I see lots of  's in member_projects.html.. (using lynx) Also, can you avoid using tables? _QZ: yeah, why? <_QZ> http://www.qzx.com/about.php3 <_QZ> u see anything wrong with that page? the line at the bottom is short hm, www.stampede.org (stampede linux) uses php3 too tcn: Sorry, can't help it at the moment, I do my layout in Netscape composer. And I only know how to lay things out using tables (tunes.html also uses tables) short compared to what? tcn: lynx should handle  , what version are you using? maybe beholder forgot to use " " ??? nope _QZ: probably netscape's bug dem@bespin:/users/bineng/html$ lynx member_projects.html Looking up 'member_projects.html' first. Looking up 'www.member_projects.html.com', guessing... Looking up 'www.member_projects.html.edu', guessing... Looking up 'www.member_projects.html.net', guessing... Looking up 'www.member_projects.html.org', guessing... lynx is stupid _QZ: Yeah, it's short.. but it looks right *before* I hit Load Images Tril: yeah, that pisses me off sometimes! Tril: Hey, my version doesn't do it (Lynx Version 2.8.1rel.2 (1998) i dont know why it is doing that bug what version is yours? lynx -version that is 2.8rel2 but it always worked before what does qz mean "short line"? horizontal rule, line of text, what? Damit, I have to keep reconnecting to bespin to get anything done... <_QZ> the gfx line at the bottom has been 'squished' Beholder: netscape has auto upload doesn't it? Tril: I think so, but I just use cuteFTP to do it Beholder: oh did you split the email and @host to avoid spam? fetch auto-reconnects if it got disconnected Ok update is there: http://www2.tunes.org/~bineng/tunes.html Beholder: The  's look right in source. Must be a lynx bug. Maybe if you take out the tables, it'll work. Tril: Nope, just because some addresses will push the table too far, and I guess it stops spam also tcn: yeah i have lynx showing   too, lame 09:20pm _QZ: try to finish the page _QZ: Beholder:for alonzo you can use 
 instead of 50mil  s
 all in all, I like lynx. What other browser starts up in 300ms?
 I can text edit the source to get rid of the   if you'd like
 _QZ: and put that image in 

 tcn: actually gecko is pretty quick :)
 tcn Netscape on my machine :)
 hehe.. I always write HTML by hand
 tcn: Well, more like 350
 Tril: Is gecko text or gfx?
 So is the page to everyone's likeing?  Any comments?
 Beholder: How fast is your computer?
 Did I spell anyone's name wrong? Anything?
 tcn: P200 MMX non UDMA HDD... I dunno, netscape just seems to fly on this machine.  IE crawls terribly.  (Netscape communicator 4.5, multi-user profle)
 Beholder: s/clairtyconnect.com/clarityconnect.com/ :)
 Beholder: you also missed Jim Little and Brian Rice! Who else did you miss?
 tcn: gecko is the new layout engine for Mozilla. you can see it in ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/ or so
 Beholder: Actually, just use tunes.org
 I run linux on the machine also, but the linux netscape takes 5 seconds to load 
 tcn: I wish i wrote html at all by hand or otherwise
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 Brian is in there now?
 But I don't have Jim
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 Beholder: Weird. My Windows and Linux netscapes take about the same time to load. It's faster after the 1st time though.. 64MB RAM is nice
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<_QZ> 64meg is nothing
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 I've got 64 megs also, and it seems to load very fast the second time 
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<_QZ> 160meg makes stuff load tons faster :)
 I don't usually fill up 64 megs
<_QZ> i have filled up my 160meg + 48meg swap
<_QZ> linux gave me an "out of memory" message
 haha
<_Tril> Pat: Brian's e-mail program doesn't use In-Reply-To (mail header) so his messages appear in the thread index as "Possible follow-ups"
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09:30pm
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 Ok I've got jim, and I think I'm done for tonight... us Eastern time zone people need sleep now :)
 Beholder: I thjink prism and brix should be on the page, but you can wait util permission from the owners (one is here now)
 but i don't think he's paying attention :)
 _QZ: hey, you fixed that php3 page :)
 Too late, I've already got Prisim on
 ok, better add brix too
 i will if you are going
 Jim's a nice guy, he wouldn't mind... that QZ guy tho... ;)
 What the hell is QZ's name?
 Beholder: ANYTHING to get qzx.com mentioned :)
 B: he has access to remove his name from the page. I think that is good enough.
 ... and e-mail?
 Beholder: http://www.qzx.com/about.php3 :)
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<_QZ> tcn: huh?
 QZ: How would you describe your project?  (simple, one sentence answer)
<_QZ> wtf is abi?
<_QZ> abi knows the answer
<_QZ> Tril: fire up abi man
 Hows this: BRiX.  A multi-user, multi-tasking, object oriented OS written entirely in ASM?
<_QZ> i dont like that
 How about Brix.  Then a link to your page.
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 ... damit thats what I forgot... almost all of these projects have some kind of link associated... oh well, do that some other time
09:40pm
 ... gotta sleep... gonna upload what I have, and you can fill it in if you wish :)
 ok, bye!
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 I gotta get outta here. Gotta do some calculus, physics, and shit, so I can get my degree and forget it all within 6 months :)
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 ahhh
 all my classes are applicable to TUNES
 but, then, so is most everything
 yeah, but I don't go to FHC. Maybe I will, if I ever go back to school.. hehe
09:50pm
 Hey, before I go, anyone know where I can find good doc's on low-level floppy & IDE programming?
 with tunes, i hope to make a better school with collaborative technology.
 try qz's archive on p0wer.qzx.com,  and ftp://x2ftp.oulu.fi/pub/msdos/programming, and the linux source :)
<_QZ> i have floppy code on borg
<_QZ> i might have moved the ide code there aswell
 what dir?
 qz we're putting your name in the tunes membe rprojects page ok?
<_QZ>  /infoz
<_QZ> Tril: ok
10:00pm
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 abi, brix?
 brix is a free portable protected preemptive pervasive-multithreading multiuser persistant object-oriented high-speed distributed operating system located at http://www.qzx.com/brix
10:10pm
 abi, not is, will be.
!doogie:*! zsoldos appears to be a little unstable tonite.  hopefully, we can track it down.
<_QZ> bah
10:20pm
<_QZ> nite
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10:30pm
 abi, flux?
 flux is crap first off
 abi, oskit?
 i guess oskit is at http://www.cs.utah.edu/projects/flux/ or basically parts of BSD and Linux
!koontz.openprojects.net!! Remote CONNECT devlin.openprojects.net 8004 from ^lilo
 abi, forget flux
 Tril: I forgot flux
10:40pm
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