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14:22:16 i don't think those last two sites have lisp or haskell people 14:22:25 or people who would be up to it at alll 14:22:45 I'm not sure 14:22:46 as for tunes, i doubt anyone has the time or knowledge 14:23:04 well, why doesn't someone else post? 14:23:11 after all, i have to leave ina few days 14:23:21 Because only you know enough details about your offer? 14:23:26 i can't guarantee i will have web access 14:23:27 water: i s'pose if there's anything reason for my not getting much of anywhere, its that slate isn't solid enough to implement yet 14:23:28 I'm sure you'd need to answer questions too 14:23:51 in that case, it's impossible as i will be away from land too often 14:24:07 is it one time job, or ongoing, what is the time line, and how are you going to communicate what is to be done if you are not available? 14:24:46 i need a small implementation that does some basic things, and has high-level source 14:24:59 and hopefully some small persistence management 14:25:11 well, define "small implementation" here :P 14:25:19 eihrul: you want a circular argument? 14:25:38 <20k lines of source 14:25:50 ie a dumb, slow interpreter 14:25:52 pidgin at this point is ~1k, including white space 14:25:58 including MO overhead 14:26:18 but pidgin doesn't parse anything or save anything 14:26:36 it could, but i need more input from you on how you want pidgin to work, man 14:26:54 such as? 14:27:33 hrmm, then again, maybe i don't :) 14:27:50 yeah that's what i thought ;) 14:29:57 Brianna joined #tunes 14:31:53 Brianna joined #tunes 14:32:34 brb handling cable people issues 14:32:39 hcf joined #tunes 14:33:40 Brianna joined #tunes 14:36:30 die Brianna 14:37:05 hey hcf 14:38:31 Brianna joined #tunes 14:39:35 Brianna joined #tunes 14:39:47 New script in place, this should work better... 14:39:55 ok thx 14:40:02 no 14:40:08 ?? 14:40:20 hcf: no suggestions or no it wont work better 14:40:23 no suggs 14:40:51 eihrul hmms. 14:41:18 I heard the sony vaio is ok. 14:41:39 hm 14:41:56 I dont know laptops.. 14:42:03 well, this ibook has a dvd-player, which is nice, and good battery life 14:42:21 how much for the ibook? 14:42:24 the downside is being stuck with macos9 i think 14:42:41 depends on the options... hold on 14:43:30 2300$ for 20gb hd, 128mb ram, ethernet, internal modem, firewire, usv 14:43:58 heh that hd is larger than the hd's in all my other machines combined :) 14:44:29 mmm big is good 14:44:35 thinkpads are nice too 14:44:44 i'm sick on intel 14:44:51 s/on/of/ 14:45:23 hm 466mhz processor 14:45:36 presumably g3(?) 14:49:31 could always get a sparc based notebook :) 14:49:34 and run Self 14:49:38 where??? 14:49:46 i'm looking around for 'em :) 14:49:52 atm, will let you know if i find something 14:50:03 but i do know at one time i saw used ones going for only $800 a pop 14:50:47 www.tadpole.com 14:50:59 ok 14:51:02 so far, there's one other site here, though 14:51:52 they don't give online pricing, though :/ 14:53:04 eihrul: I tried compiling self on solaris 5 and failed 14:53:48 will self work with new versions? 14:54:29 hmm 14:54:30 [QUIT] gREMLiNs quit: You must die to go to heaven 14:54:37 anyone know conversion from pounds to dollars? :) 14:55:34 dunno 14:55:45 water is pseudo-afk dealing iwht more cable issues 14:56:05 one pound is US$1.41 today 14:56:58 okay 14:57:05 so they're definitely not within anyone's budgeet :) 14:58:45 [QUIT] water quit: The Tao went that-a-way! 15:04:38 [QUIT] Tril quit: bye brb 15:04:59 Tril joined #tunes 15:05:00 [MODE] ChanServ set mode: +o Tril 15:13:04 water: (if you read logs), there's a tadpole sparcbook 3gx on ebay going for $505 :) 15:13:09 18 hours left to bid 15:14:22 [QUIT] morton quit: changing servers 15:19:09 for benefit of logs I will now paste something water said when logger was down 15:19:12 just have some way to manage access to the literals 15:19:21 like a kind of wrapper in the lisp (or whatever) source that can be modified to test ideas 15:19:25 in any case, right now "less support is more" 15:19:58 (sometime between 14:27 and 14:39) 15:25:14 [QUIT] eihrul quit: Leaving 15:31:38 [QUIT] lar1 quit: Killed (services2.openprojects.net (Too many invalid passwords)) 15:47:18 eihrul joined #tunes 16:06:29 [QUIT] eihrul quit: Leaving 16:31:57 hcf_ joined #tunes 16:32:03 [QUIT] hcf quit: Leaving 16:49:06 water joined #tunes 16:49:13 damn 16:49:45 does anyone have experience hooking up cable modems? 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18:44:35 troubles with cable modem and my roommate's computer 18:44:46 but i have an ibook on the way =) 18:44:55 ) 18:44:57 which can run Self 4.1 =) 18:52:36 [NICK] lar1 changed nick to: lar[dinner] 18:53:03 c'mon i should at least have gotten a hooorah out of that one ;) 18:54:03 HOOORAH!!!! 18:54:05 [QUIT] Kyle_L quit: Leaving 18:54:12 P 18:55:15 eihrul gives an unconventional, "Huzzah!" 19:07:01 water decides to delay this troubleshooting of the cable modem 19:12:42 arbit joined #tunes 19:12:55 re 19:13:35 hey there 19:13:40 people of #tunes 19:17:54 [QUIT] water quit: Leaving 19:18:05 water joined #tunes 19:18:29 oops wrong button :) 19:23:57 eihrul hmms. 19:24:10 hmm what? :) 19:28:04 [QUIT] morton quit: changing servers 19:31:53 i'm playing with squeak2.8 19:32:59 cool 19:34:57 water starts fooling around with linuxconf to configure his cable modem (hopefully successfully) 19:35:20 i'm on cable now 19:35:40 what linux distro do you have? 19:35:50 he's using mandrake 19:36:49 oh so basically redhat 19:37:21 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts probably has the files that define how each network interface is configured 19:37:34 ifcfg-eth0 is the first ether card 19:38:13 geez don't you people use gui's at all? :) 19:38:32 well.... its good to know which files to modify when you're hacking on it remotely 19:39:09 true 19:39:10 I'm in a GUI.. 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