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The are not necessarily intelligent. 10:11:24 program them 10:11:25 Some people's view is that because they are intelligent, they don't have to be dependable. 10:11:37 oh yes 10:11:48 which of you is relatively good at coding in lisp? 10:11:54 <-- 10:11:56 me me 10:12:11 the slate.lisp is already posted and could use updating to the new language specs 10:12:25 which are rather different 10:13:05 any takers? 10:13:15 you can use scheme if you like 10:13:19 Tril tosses coin 10:13:33 ult heads or tails? 10:13:48 abi: coin 10:13:53 abi: toss a coin 10:13:56 grr 10:14:15 btw, abi's head got crammed with new facts recently 10:14:24 ~350 10:14:30 I noticed hcf was adding facts like crazy yesterday 10:14:35 yep 10:14:41 in the public channel. maybe he added more outside the chan? 10:14:53 dunno 10:15:10 abi: can you toss a coin? 10:15:11 wish i knew, tril 10:15:19 abi: random 1 10:15:20 abi: random 2 10:15:22 just decide! :) 10:15:40 i can provide necessary specs and info by mail or whatever 10:15:56 yes, i'm still trying to come up with good docs :P 10:16:03 oh, so the old code is posted, and the new specs aren't? 10:16:08 right 10:16:11 Heh. 10:16:27 at this point I will agree to read the old code 10:16:32 it's been totally based on discussions between eihrul and i 10:16:43 -rw-r--r-- 1 ultima ultima 8191 May 20 23:09 slate.lisp 10:16:48 i can send you some of the logs for those 10:16:50 Is this the one available? 10:16:50 to see if I can comprehend any of it 10:16:59 ult: yes 10:17:10 water: are the old specs on the slate homepage? 10:17:28 pretty much 10:18:36 You know, when I got 96mb of RAM, I kind of expected thrashing to go away. 10:18:43 in what os 10:18:52 But, I start up Oracle, two copies of cmucl, and emacs...:( 10:19:19 hey ult did you look at that lisp formatter/indenter? 10:19:34 water? no. 10:19:42 the one where you don't have to look or type in parentheses 10:19:52 I don't really mind... 10:20:04 abi has the link but i forget what the name of it is 10:20:04 i haven't a clue, water 10:20:10 Well, I use the emacs Lisp mode 10:20:19 Which lines up parens for you, and stuff. 10:20:20 yeah i suppose that's good enough 10:20:38 i just found this other way of doing it much more readible 10:20:45 hm 10:21:08 Is it like an actual editor? 10:21:44 no, just a set of functions for parsing and displaying code in this new form 10:22:02 Is the new form tree-based? 10:22:12 i.e. it's a transformation from lisp code to the indentation-based format and vice versa 10:22:56 you indicate stepping into cons cells by indentation, so yes it's like a tree 10:23:18 but it's still ascii-style coding 10:23:30 Hmm, I'll keep an eye out, but it sounds rather odd. 10:23:45 it's actually a pretty simple tool 10:23:48 anyway 10:24:16 damn 10:24:19 time to go 10:24:34 so, which of you will work on this? 10:24:40 or is it both? :) 10:24:55 Er. 10:25:35 well i gotta go shower, so i'll bbiaf before leaving altogether 10:27:19 i'm learning how to put documents in my palm 10:27:27 i'll put the slate code in when i figure it out 10:28:54 I'm learning how to use Oracle. 10:28:58 Or, trying. Non-self-documenting software kinda sucks. 10:33:02 [QUIT] ult quit: Leaving 10:43:15 hm 10:43:54 btw i'm getting a cable modem on wednesday 10:44:01 w/installation 10:44:21 with luck, that means i'll be able to connect to the net with linux or beos (finally :P) 10:45:50 ok, bye then 10:46:06 if you have any questions about documentation, just ask by email 10:46:24 and check diktuon if it is up 10:46:51 also there are the tunes mlist archives for a few of the docs 10:46:54 [QUIT] water quit: The Tao went that-a-way! 11:04:18 [QUIT] Tril quit: Signed off 12:29:55 hcf joined #tunes 12:32:28 abi: lec is Linux Enterprise Computing at http://linas.org/linux/index.html 12:32:31 abi: lmag is Linas' Mathematical Art Gallery at http://linas.org/art-gallery/index.html 12:32:33 abi: babel is a glossary of computer related abbreviations and acronyms at http://geocities.com/ikind_babel/ 12:32:47 water: icuc, http://www.cs.vu.nl/~rdv/papers.html http://www.daimi.au.dk/~danvy/ 12:33:34 abi: MW3 is Motif on the World Wide Web at http://www.cen.com/mw3/ 12:34:16 ult: water may of been refering to sugar 12:34:18 abi: sugar? 12:34:18 sugar is adds indentation-sensitive syntax to the LISP reader of scheme at http://Sugar.mini.dhs.org/ 12:34:26 [QUIT] hcf quit: Leaving 12:41:58 Psycho joined #tunes 12:42:04 Psycho left #tunes 12:46:39 eihrul joined #tunes 12:51:48 ult joined #tunes 12:57:09 Ghyll joined #tunes 14:08:23 karltk joined #tunes 14:16:51 _morton joined #tunes 14:17:53 [QUIT] _morton quit: quit: quit: quit: quit: ? wtf?... 14:46:36 hcf joined #tunes 17:33:03 Kyle_L joined #tunes 19:10:39 extrasolar joined #tunes 19:42:36 ult joined #tunes 20:40:32 hcf joined #tunes 20:41:27 [QUIT] nate37 quit: BitchX-75p3 -- just do it. 20:43:10 abi: pastel is Persistent Application Systems, Technologies, Environments and Languages at http://www-ppg.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/pastel/Default.html 20:43:10 abi: Parenthetically Speaking is at http://www.world.std.com/~pitman/PS/About-PS.html 20:43:35 ult: did u catch the info i left for u in the log? 20:44:43 hcf: Nope, I'll go check now. 20:48:34 hcf: Ah, Sugar. 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